All Blacks 2024
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Thank goodness cruciates ok.
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@Canes4life As good a news as can be expected, feel for the guy was to be his breakout year this year but it's not to be. Bloody ref got in his way prior to the tackle that injured him as well, just bad luck all round.
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@akan004 It means a complete tear. The fear going forward would be a re-rupture. The good news seems to be that his cruciates are okay.
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@akan004 It means a complete tear. The fear going forward would be a re-rupture. The good news seems to be that his cruciates are okay.
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@sparky Was hoping for a partial tear only. Based on reading comments on YouTube etc from people who have completely ruptured it, most say that their knees have not returned to the pre injury state. A bit of a worry.
@akan004 Have a look at the link I posted. Given this was treated straight away Roigard had a good to an excellent chance of a full recovery. He should be back in training in four to five months.
The worry long term is that there is only so much damage a knee can take before performance deteriorates.
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@Dan54 I just don't see what makes him an international quality halfback compared to the other halfbacks floating around. He's not really a game breaker, his pass isn't necessarily rapid, his kicking game is inconsistent. Someone like Ratima who I know has plenty of work ons himself seems to have more upside tbh.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 I just don't see what makes him an international quality halfback compared to the other halfbacks floating around. He's not really a game breaker, his pass isn't necessarily rapid, his kicking game is inconsistent. Someone like Ratima who I know has plenty of work ons himself seems to have more upside tbh.
Did you listen to Bryn Hall on Aoteroa Rugby pod by any chance? He reckon Christie is the kind of 9 that Razor will like, he reckons he got a good pass etc, more or less the opposite of how you see him?
I not over the top with him, but do think he is better than many give him credit for is all. Though that's just my opinion of course, and don't claim to have watched him real close. I know a few on here were rubbishing Kirwan for suggesting he was the one who could well fill in, but I now listening to likes of Hall, Parsons etc who see a lot more of him than me, so am prepared to go along with them. -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 I just don't see what makes him an international quality halfback compared to the other halfbacks floating around. He's not really a game breaker, his pass isn't necessarily rapid, his kicking game is inconsistent. Someone like Ratima who I know has plenty of work ons himself seems to have more upside tbh.
Did you listen to Bryn Hall on Aoteroa Rugby pod by any chance? He reckon Christie is the kind of 9 that Razor will like, he reckons he got a good pass etc, more or less the opposite of how you see him?
I not over the top with him, but do think he is better than many give him credit for is all. Though that's just my opinion of course, and don't claim to have watched him real close. I know a few on here were rubbishing Kirwan for suggesting he was the one who could well fill in, but I now listening to likes of Hall, Parsons etc who see a lot more of him than me, so am prepared to go along with them. -
@Dan54 hey, if he ends up being the top halfback while Roigard is out then good on him. I'm not trying to bag Christie I just personally don't see why he's our 2nd best halfback, maybe it's because he has experience?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 hey, if he ends up being the top halfback while Roigard is out then good on him. I'm not trying to bag Christie I just personally don't see why he's our 2nd best halfback, maybe it's because he has experience?
Playing well, he is dynamite on defence and adequate with passing. We really don't build halfbacks who can pass well; Aaron Smith was the huge exception over the last decade.
I can see why Christie gets picked. I'd love there to be better options, but often people with better passes have other weaknesses. I struggle to understand why we don't develop better 9s - Nock, for instance, had all the attributes I reckon, but doesn't put it out on the park consistently.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 hey, if he ends up being the top halfback while Roigard is out then good on him. I'm not trying to bag Christie I just personally don't see why he's our 2nd best halfback, maybe it's because he has experience?
Playing well, he is dynamite on defence and adequate with passing. We really don't build halfbacks who can pass well; Aaron Smith was the huge exception over the last decade.
I can see why Christie gets picked. I'd love there to be better options, but often people with better passes have other weaknesses. I struggle to understand why we don't develop better 9s - Nock, for instance, had all the attributes I reckon, but doesn't put it out on the park consistently.
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@nzzp fair enough, hopefully he can bring that form into the ABs environment then and make a statement knowing that Roigard will be after that jersey when he returns.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp fair enough, hopefully he can bring that form into the ABs environment then and make a statement knowing that Roigard will be after that jersey when he returns.
He was better than I expected with his first season in teh ABs. But his form wasn't good last year - he stank up the joint at times.
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I would have had Roigard in the WC finals but I don't get the Christie negativity on here. He's a good player and deserves his AB spot
He's good at closing out a game, great defensive work and a good pass. But he's a bit slow at the ruck and not a first choice as a starting 9.
That said, it's probably between him and Fakatava to start.
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The problem with Christie is not the time he takes to get to breakdowns, but the delay before passing the ball. Even at SR level you can get in his face by flooding the breakdown and counter-rucking. We've seen that being more of a problem with the ABs and aggressive defences.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Dan54 hey, if he ends up being the top halfback while Roigard is out then good on him. I'm not trying to bag Christie I just personally don't see why he's our 2nd best halfback, maybe it's because he has experience?
Playing well, he is dynamite on defence and adequate with passing. We really don't build halfbacks who can pass well; Aaron Smith was the huge exception over the last decade.
I can see why Christie gets picked. I'd love there to be better options, but often people with better passes have other weaknesses. I struggle to understand why we don't develop better 9s - Nock, for instance, had all the attributes I reckon, but doesn't put it out on the park consistently.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
often people with better passes have other weaknesses
like Nock, who, IMO was second to Smith with his passing, unfortunate he is so inconsistent, hesitant and doesn't boss his pack, mind you, no one does it quite like Smith did.
Hopefully Razor starts with a clean slate, and looks a bit beyond this guy having 20 caps vs this guy with none as a reason to pick or not to pick someone.
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@akan004 It means a complete tear. The fear going forward would be a re-rupture. The good news seems to be that his cruciates are okay.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@akan004 It means a complete tear. The fear going forward would be a re-rupture. The good news seems to be that his cruciates are okay.
I hope medicine has moved on in the last 20 years. I did something similar 20 years ago - tore the patella tendon off the shin bone. That was 2 months on my back with no weight bearing, and a total of about 9 months until I had rebuilt the muscle and flexibility that I had before the accident
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Fakatava has done nothing this year to justify his name being in the selection frame. For every good thing he does, he makes two or three bad decisions or passes. I'm not saying he won't get there with time, we all saw how good he was a few years back, but he's currently a shadow of that player and what he really needs now is consistent minutes on the park, not spending all his time on the training field.
I think we'll likely see Christie, Perenara and Ratima selected for the July Tests, with Roigard potentially returning to the mix for the EOYT. Fakatava should spend a full season playing for the Highlanders and Hawke's Bay.
Throughout the squad there shouldn't be too many changes...
Gone are Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Will Jordan (injury).
Given the above turnover, it's unlikely that someone experienced like Ofa Tu'ungafasi (and still young, in propping terms) will miss out. Ardie Savea, Sam Cane and Beauden Barrett will all likely still be selected too.
Coles - Aumua
Laulala - Ma'u, Numia, Dyer
Whitelock/Retallick - Lord and Tuipulotu, Strange, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell
Frizell - Ioane or Sotutu, Grace
Smith/Roigard - Perenara and Ratima
Mo'unga - Love or Perofeta
Fainga'anuku - Narawa, Proctor
Jordan - Stevenson -
Fakatava has done nothing this year to justify his name being in the selection frame. For every good thing he does, he makes two or three bad decisions or passes. I'm not saying he won't get there with time, we all saw how good he was a few years back, but he's currently a shadow of that player and what he really needs now is consistent minutes on the park, not spending all his time on the training field.
I think we'll likely see Christie, Perenara and Ratima selected for the July Tests, with Roigard potentially returning to the mix for the EOYT. Fakatava should spend a full season playing for the Highlanders and Hawke's Bay.
Throughout the squad there shouldn't be too many changes...
Gone are Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Will Jordan (injury).
Given the above turnover, it's unlikely that someone experienced like Ofa Tu'ungafasi (and still young, in propping terms) will miss out. Ardie Savea, Sam Cane and Beauden Barrett will all likely still be selected too.
Coles - Aumua
Laulala - Ma'u, Numia, Dyer
Whitelock/Retallick - Lord and Tuipulotu, Strange, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell
Frizell - Ioane or Sotutu, Grace
Smith/Roigard - Perenara and Ratima
Mo'unga - Love or Perofeta
Fainga'anuku - Narawa, Proctor
Jordan - Stevenson@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fakatava has done nothing this year to justify his name being in the selection frame. For every good thing he does, he makes two or three bad decisions or passes. I'm not saying he won't get there with time, we all saw how good he was a few years back, but he's currently a shadow of that player and what he really needs now is consistent minutes on the park, not spending all his time on the training field.
I think we'll likely see Christie, Perenara and Ratima selected for the July Tests, with Roigard potentially returning to the mix for the EOYT. Fakatava should spend a full season playing for the Highlanders and Hawke's Bay.
Throughout the squad there shouldn't be too many changes...
Gone are Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Shannon Frizell, Aaron Smith, Cam Roigard, Richie Mo'unga, Leicester Fainga'anuku and Will Jordan (injury).
Given the above turnover, it's unlikely that someone experienced like Ofa Tu'ungafasi (and still young, in propping terms) will miss out. Ardie Savea, Sam Cane and Beauden Barrett will all likely still be selected too.
Coles - Aumua
Laulala - Ma'u, Numia, Dyer
Whitelock/Retallick - Lord and Tuipulotu, Strange, Walker-Leawere, McWhannell
Frizell - Ioane or Sotutu, Grace
Smith/Roigard - Perenara and Ratima
Mo'unga - Love or Perofeta
Fainga'anuku - Narawa, Proctor
Jordan - StevensonBower to replace Laulala rated highly by Ryan, even though he is a LH
he can cover TH so can Willliams.
