Super Rugby - The Future
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@Tim said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Whenever the idea of including Japan in a competition comes up, I think it's useful to try to separate how much money Japanese companies put into club salaries, operations, and facilities from what TV and other revenues the competition brings in.
Japan has the largest single country viewing record for a rugby game of around 60M or so.
If the product is good, it should (:D) generate good revenue.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Without really thinking, I wonder whether we should (1) add some Japanese teams to a cross-over super competition that acts as a club Championship / Plate (maybe we might need a bowl) with teams seeded based on their J-League and home competition results. That would be 'Super' rugby in my model and teams would play with their 'home' teams with quite big squads.
In place of NPC, I would (2) add two-three super teams (which would be the shit fight) and play a local competition with our 'super' sides , under which I'd run 'reserve' super sides, and players could go up and down as needed. Australia could do the same thing and I would suggest they take on Moana Pasifika to add teams. This competition would be the qualification for which division you play in for Super rugby club championship.
I think we are drifting towards something a bit like that.
With possible Japanese involvement I wonder if a fix for Moana Pasifika is to resurrect the old Pacific Barbarians concept? It was based in Singapore and coached by Umaga. No one watches them in NZ it's a complete failure. Give them a home, a good stadium and better access to sponsorship money.
The Baabaas didn't do great either but they had no meaningful rugby
@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
I think we are drifting towards something a bit like that.
With possible Japanese involvement I wonder if a fix for Moana Pasifika is to resurrect the old Pacific Barbarians concept? It was based in Singapore and coached by Umaga. No one watches them in NZ it's a complete failure. Give them a home, a good stadium and better access to sponsorship money.
I hope super rugby stays more or less like it is. But with a focus on more even teams
But the Rebel get the boot and then what. Aust still will have one too many teams. So, they will always struggle still. But not by so much
Also, MP is a complete disaster. Maybe this is one option for them
They move to the Aust conference based in Melbourne. Call them the Pacific Rebels say. But helped by NZR for three years as follows
-10 NZ players can play for them and still be eligible for the ABs. Ardie might be interested in joining his brother as one example
-NZ pays a part of their salary (say $50,000 per player)
-Aust have no players who will be eligible for Aust's test side. As they will struggle to support 4 teams
-NZR also appoint the PR managersAn Argie team joins the NZ pool
If after three years PR are still rubbish then kick them out
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby - The Future:
Without really thinking, I wonder whether we should (1) add some Japanese teams to a cross-over super competition that acts as a club Championship / Plate (maybe we might need a bowl) with teams seeded based on their J-League and home competition results. That would be 'Super' rugby in my model and teams would play with their 'home' teams with quite big squads.
In place of NPC, I would (2) add two-three super teams (which would be the shit fight) and play a local competition with our 'super' sides , under which I'd run 'reserve' super sides, and players could go up and down as needed. Australia could do the same thing and I would suggest they take on Moana Pasifika to add teams. This competition would be the qualification for which division you play in for Super rugby club championship.
I think we are drifting towards something a bit like that.
With possible Japanese involvement I wonder if a fix for Moana Pasifika is to resurrect the old Pacific Barbarians concept? It was based in Singapore and coached by Umaga. No one watches them in NZ it's a complete failure. Give them a home, a good stadium and better access to sponsorship money.
The Baabaas didn't do great either but they had no meaningful rugby
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@Tim said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Duluth Still a long flight from Auckland (10h 45m).
i use to really worry about that stuff.... mrs womble has a new job where she manages to global team so has done 6 trips to to the US and/or UK in the last six months, and she has to walk in and do her job which is a damn site less fun than playing rugby and whilst she'll be getting paid more than some...its definitely less than lots of others...stuff em, i'd love to be playing rugby for a living
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@Tim Most Euro sides would do longer when playing in Capetown and vice versa?
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@Tim Most Euro sides would do longer when playing in Capetown and vice versa?
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@taniwharugby Apparently London to Cape Town is 11h35m.
@Tim little to no time difference though which i think is almost a bigger problem...but as i say, stuff it
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They've suggested regional pools to keep travel down. That'll probably happen. Long bus rides and people sleeping in their own beds more often
@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
They've suggested regional pools to keep travel down. That'll probably happen. Long bus rides and people sleeping in their own beds more often
That'd be much better; how easy to get a few more coaches for the travelling fans!
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby - The Future:
They've suggested regional pools to keep travel down. That'll probably happen. Long bus rides and people sleeping in their own beds more often
That'd be much better; how easy to get a few more coaches for the travelling fans!
@antipodean that would be pretty sweet
how about kiwirail puts on some passenger trains, normally similar travel time but the players can get up and move around a bit
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@antipodean that would be pretty sweet
how about kiwirail puts on some passenger trains, normally similar travel time but the players can get up and move around a bit
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@Tim what is this place if not somewhere we can dream
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@Tim said in Super Rugby - The Future:
@Duluth Still a long flight from Auckland (10h 45m).
Singapore?? Or Japan
Singapore is a bit hot for rugby during this period.
@Winger and im sure they'll find dunedin or invercargill a bit chilly...home advantage
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as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo. -
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.@Chris said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
> NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.And it should be based in The Bay
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of Plenty
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo. -
of Plenty
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
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@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
@gt12 said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
They play in orange and are called the Vikings.
