All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor wants his first five back who he won 7 straight titles with who never lost a Super Rugby playoff game for him.
56 tests. 70% win record.
Solid, grew, but a long way from a high quality Test 10
Sure - but we aren't exactly flush with 10 options.
The cupboard behind DMac domestically (and Beaudie returning) is bare.
I don't see why this is all so surprising.
He either cuts his deal short and comes back and there's a 56 test AB as an option or he doesn't.
Of course we can understand Razor wanting his ‘quarterback’.
But it doesn’t really solve the depth issue at 10 for the ABs. If they somehow got Mounga back to play for the AB’s then it would probably mean DMAC leaving for an overseas contract. Unless Razor convinces him to play fullback.
I see it is an either or at 10. Got DMaC now. Richie overseas. Get Richie back to start, DMac very unlikely to want to play second fiddle so leaves.
We are back to square one.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
I don’t think Savea will change his style of play based on what number is on his back.
But it is a chance to address the balance of the backrow if he did
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I read that as:
We would like him home
We respect Toshibas contract even though we are talking about it to the press
We hope to be involved but have no meetings planned to talk about it but hope to.Mo’unga has been there 6 months and has not missed an AB test yet. He is on a 3 year deal.
Unless he and his family hates it there, it seems to be a non starter and poor timing to be mouthing off about it and will only serve to antagonise Mounga and his employer.
If I was in charge of player contracts at Toshiba, I would be asking Mounga what is going on? Are you not happy and want to leave? Why are you talking to NZR?
If NZR were in serious discussion with either party they would keep it very quiet so it doesn’t jeopardise a potential Deal. The fact they are talking like this makes me think they are very much on the outside looking in and have no talks
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If NZR were in serious discussion with either party they would keep it very quiet so it doesn’t jeopardise a potential Deal. The fact they are talking like this makes me think they are very much on the outside looking in and have no talks
Equally, they wouldn't be saying this is they weren't intending serious conversations. That's the key point and the dog barking in the night.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
He didn't play at 8 for the Canes from 2019?
Edit: He's started/played at 7 only once for the Canes in the last 2 seasons (QF 2023)
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I don’t think Savea will change his style of play based on what number is on his back.
But it is a chance to address the balance of the backrow if he did
@DaGrubster I wouldn't mind seeing a 6. Finau 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu loose trio go to work.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If NZR were in serious discussion with either party they would keep it very quiet so it doesn’t jeopardise a potential Deal. The fact they are talking like this makes me think they are very much on the outside looking in and have no talks
Equally, they wouldn't be saying this is they weren't intending serious conversations. That's the key point and the dog barking in the night.
I’m sure the intention is there but it may be a case of no-one returning their calls or emails!
I sell tech solutions to large enterprises in the UK. I intend to sell our software to new customers but just because I state that intention, doesn’t mean they will welcome me with open arms!
This interview/sound bites in the media may be part of the initial plan to make noise and flatter Mounga to appease his ego.
Honestly, if I was in charge of contracts at Toshiba and NZR approached me. I would ignore them.
NZR can’t afford to buy out his contract so they need richie to want to move and then try to force it.
It’s a long shot for NZR 6 months into a 3 yr deal. Unless he is allergic to raw fish.
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@DaGrubster I wouldn't mind seeing a 6. Finau 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu loose trio go to work.
That is my preference to start with!
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I’m sure the intention is there but it may be a case of no-one returning their calls or emails!
I sell tech solutions to large enterprises in the UK. I intend to sell our software to new customers but just because I state that intention, doesn’t mean they will welcome me with open arms!
This interview/sound bites in the media may be part of the initial plan to make noise and flatter Mounga to appease his ego.
Honestly, if I was in charge of contracts at Toshiba and NZR approached me. I would ignore them.
NZR can’t afford to buy out his contract so they need richie to want to move and then try to force it.
It’s a long shot for NZR 6 months into a 3 yr deal. Unless he is allergic to raw fish.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I sell tech solutions to large enterprises in the UK. I intend to sell our software to new customers
That's exactly my point. The intent is there and is more than media hype.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
He didn't play at 8 for the Canes from 2019?
Edit: He's started/played at 7 only once for the Canes in the last 2 seasons (QF 2023)
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
He didn't play at 8 for the Canes from 2019?
Yes usually, but still started at 7 every year a few times, as well as moving to it
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Squad named by Robertson on June 24th.
Not even a Thursday, disgusting.
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Squad named by Robertson on June 24th.
Not even a Thursday, disgusting.
Brave new world
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
He didn't play at 8 for the Canes from 2019?
Yes usually, but still started at 7 every year a few times, as well as moving to it
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea to 7. It makes sense.
No it doesn't. He's a stand-out at 8 and hasn't played there at SR for about 3 seasons. Makes as much sense as Robertson looking to put Havili at 10.
Oh, hang on.
He's played all season in Japan at 7, has played in 7 in SR every year since 2019
He didn't play at 8 for the Canes from 2019?
Yes usually, but still started at 7 every year a few times, as well as moving to it
I've edited my post above.
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@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Squad named by Robertson on June 24th.
Not even a Thursday, disgusting.
Brave new world
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Squad named by Robertson on June 24th.
Not even a Thursday, disgusting.
Brave new world
He'll be announcing it live on TV in the sheds after a Possibles-Probables game next..
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@DaGrubster I wouldn't mind seeing a 6. Finau 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu loose trio go to work.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster I wouldn't mind seeing a 6. Finau 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu loose trio go to work.
Not sure on that balance. I’m not convinced Sotutu and Savea can be in the same starting trio as their roles are so similar. Maybe late in a game.
Savea has gone well with Cane next to him. There is a similar balance at the Blues with Papalii at 7 and Sotutu at 8
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster I wouldn't mind seeing a 6. Finau 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu loose trio go to work.
Not sure on that balance. I’m not convinced Sotutu and Savea can be in the same starting trio as their roles are so similar. Maybe late in a game.
Savea has gone well with Cane next to him. There is a similar balance at the Blues with Papalii at 7 and Sotutu at 8
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea has gone well with Cane next to him.
Ehhhh mostly. Our lineout got weakened by it, and Cane was a largely one dimensional tackling machine. Superb human being, and a warrior, but we discussed it ad nauseam that picking both of them meant you needed Thor or Jesus at 6.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Savea has gone well with Cane next to him.
Ehhhh mostly. Our lineout got weakened by it, and Cane was a largely one dimensional tackling machine. Superb human being, and a warrior, but we discussed it ad nauseam that picking both of them meant you needed Thor or Jesus at 6.
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We have been saddled by stuck in the mud selections and misplaced loyalty for far too long. Last 4 years has been painful
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We have been saddled by stuck in the mud selections and misplaced loyalty for far too long. Last 4 years has been painful
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We have been saddled by stuck in the mud selections and misplaced loyalty for far too long. Last 4 years has been painful
Yep, and by quoting percentage wins (Ritchie's win record) or 2020~ form in black (Akira, Sotutu), I am not sure it is so relevant moving forward. Having said that, I don't think selections were the previous coaching group's biggest problem. They always seemed to reward Super rugby form (Lack of "deep analysis"?)
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@nzzp yeah not saying it was perfect but Savea was allowed to play the way does by having a hard working 7 next to him. If you have Sotutu and Savea in the same trio you are asking Savea to play a very different game
@Duluth Exactly right, hence why Cane and Frizzell were constantly picked, so they could tackle and clean whilst Savea was used to carry from the base of the ruck and be used as the jackler on D, and it worked pretty well I thought.
I can't say I'm overly sold on Savea and Sotutu in the same loose trio either, but worth a look I guess.
