Blues 2024
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@Bovidae are they looking to play him at all or..?
And the 32-year-old openside flanker confirmed as soon as he returned from Japan, where he played the 2024 season on sabbatical, he would be training with the Chiefs as “a practice body” over the latter stages of their Super Rugby Pacific campaign to get himself back up to full fitness.
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And the 32-year-old openside flanker confirmed as soon as he returned from Japan, where he played the 2024 season on sabbatical, he would be training with the Chiefs as “a practice body” over the latter stages of their Super Rugby Pacific campaign to get himself back up to full fitness.
@Bovidae I’ve got no issue with that. Playing in the playoffs would be a different story which the Blues are trying to do with Beaudy.
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@Bovidae said in Blues 2024:
Cane is training with the Chiefs, so...
If there was a season ending injury to a Chiefs loosie I would like to see Cane added to their squad. It would be strange if they had to call in someone else
I wonder what the intent of the regulation was? I doubt they were thinking about sabbatical players when it was written
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@Bovidae said in Blues 2024:
Cane is training with the Chiefs, so...
If there was a season ending injury to a Chiefs loosie I would like to see Cane added to their squad. It would be strange if they had to call in someone else
I wonder what the intent of the regulation was? I doubt they were thinking about sabbatical players when it was written
@Duluth said in Blues 2024:
@Bovidae said in Blues 2024:
Cane is training with the Chiefs, so...
If there was a season ending injury to a Chiefs loosie I would like to see Cane added to their squad. It would be strange if they had to call in someone else
I wonder what the intent of the regulation was? I doubt they were thinking about sabbatical players when it was written
Personally, I think players on sabbatical should be included in the squad and available on return.
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Not available under any circumstance.
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@Duluth said in Blues 2024:
@Bovidae said in Blues 2024:
Cane is training with the Chiefs, so...
If there was a season ending injury to a Chiefs loosie I would like to see Cane added to their squad. It would be strange if they had to call in someone else
I wonder what the intent of the regulation was? I doubt they were thinking about sabbatical players when it was written
Personally, I think players on sabbatical should be included in the squad and available on return.
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Not available under any circumstance.
@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
Personally, I think players on sabbatical should be included in the squad and available on return.
A squad with one man less would punish teams with a sabbatical player. But only marginally, it would just mean you go to players outside your squad a bit quicker
Or perhaps you could do what the Crusaders did and carry an extra player until Taylor returned (I have no issue with the Taylor situation, it's just an example of the leeway given to sabbatical players)
@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
Not available under any circumstance.
Lets say the Chiefs lost a couple of loosies for the rest of the season this weekend. Cane has been under NZR contract all year, is training with the Chiefs and is available for All Black selection. I don't see the logic of preventing him joining as an injury replacement? I see some logic in preventing 'ring-ins' late in the season but I don't see how Cane could be considered that. I don't see how that is good for NZ rugby or the competition
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@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
Personally, I think players on sabbatical should be included in the squad and available on return.
A squad with one man less would punish teams with a sabbatical player. But only marginally, it would just mean you go to players outside your squad a bit quicker
Or perhaps you could do what the Crusaders did and carry an extra player until Taylor returned (I have no issue with the Taylor situation, it's just an example of the leeway given to sabbatical players)
@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
Not available under any circumstance.
Lets say the Chiefs lost a couple of loosies for the rest of the season this weekend. Cane has been under NZR contract all year, is training with the Chiefs and is available for All Black selection. I don't see the logic of preventing him joining as an injury replacement? I see some logic in preventing 'ring-ins' late in the season but I don't see how Cane could be considered that. I don't see how that is good for NZ rugby or the competition
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That’s why I’d like a clear rule either way.
I’d prefer he and others be eligible.
The current situation is half-pregnant, they should make it yes or no.
@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
I’d prefer he and others be eligible.
Same
Going back to the Taylor situation.. yes it’s slightly different because it was a non playing sabbatical. However expectations were set at the beginning. Everyone knew one player was on a temp contract, and everyone knew he’d return late in the competition so no one cared
That seems like the correct method in future.
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@gt12 said in Blues 2024:
I’d prefer he and others be eligible.
Same
Going back to the Taylor situation.. yes it’s slightly different because it was a non playing sabbatical. However expectations were set at the beginning. Everyone knew one player was on a temp contract, and everyone knew he’d return late in the competition so no one cared
That seems like the correct method in future.
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It is not an NZR Rule it is a SANZAAR rule, as it is their competition. And the rules are set, if you don't play before 1 April in the comp you can't play the finals - unless special circumstances. Like the Tahs, having lost 395 props, they would be allowed to bring someone else in if they were in the finals. I doubt the Blues are in the same boat with 1st fives/fullbacks. If another goes down, they might, but they have a couple and that's enough.
I don't have a problem with anyone coming in at any time. If a team thinks that bringing Dupont in for the finals is going to improve their team, I really doubt it. A full on ringer would be a problem in most cases, unless (like Cane, Beaudy) they have already spent significant time with the team -
If they have a contract with NZR, then they should be eligible to play.
Is someone who injures themselves in pre-season but comes right in time for a final eligible to play finals?
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If they have a contract with NZR, then they should be eligible to play.
Is someone who injures themselves in pre-season but comes right in time for a final eligible to play finals?
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2024:
Is someone who injures themselves in pre-season but comes right in time for a final eligible to play finals?
Yes
This restriction is only for offshore players ( @machpants missed that in his summary ). So the Blues could call up loads of people to replace Sullivan. The Crusaders couldn't use Afoa in the finals last year because he'd just returned to NZ
That's why I questioned what the intent of this rule is
I presume the Blues are questioning if sabbatical players are really offshore players given they were always under NZR contract. I'm sure they probably are but it is worth clarifying.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2024:
Is someone who injures themselves in pre-season but comes right in time for a final eligible to play finals?
Yes
This restriction is only for offshore players ( @machpants missed that in his summary ). So the Blues could call up loads of people to replace Sullivan. The Crusaders couldn't use Afoa in the finals last year because he'd just returned to NZ
That's why I questioned what the intent of this rule is
I presume the Blues are questioning if sabbatical players are really offshore players given they were always under NZR contract. I'm sure they probably are but it is worth clarifying.
@Duluth yeah for my mind, if they are contracted to NZR, then it is all moot, they are eligible for NZ teams.
Although comp rules may see it differently, as an aside, @Machpants mentions SANZAR, is it still SANZAR given there is no SA in there now?
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@Duluth yeah for my mind, if they are contracted to NZR, then it is all moot, they are eligible for NZ teams.
Although comp rules may see it differently, as an aside, @Machpants mentions SANZAR, is it still SANZAR given there is no SA in there now?
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2024:
@Duluth yeah for my mind, if they are contracted to NZR, then it is all moot, they are eligible for NZ teams.
Although comp rules may see it differently, as an aside, @Machpants mentions SANZAR, is it still SANZAR given there is no SA in there now?
Good point, I guess the new unit in Sydney would be responsible, but since it is barely started I don't think they've changed any rules since SANZAAR
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@antipodean not at all, I was at the time obviously but Beaudy is a little over-hyped these days. The media make it sound like he’s in the prime of his career, he’s isn’t, which is why he reverts to kicking the ball away all the time because he doesn’t have the speed to get him out of trouble like he used to.
I would laugh so hard if the Blues pushed to get him into the 23 and then he F’d it up for them in the final. He’s cracked under pressure a lot in recent years, so you’re more than welcome to him. I think it would just be a big middle finger to the rest of the teams in the comp.
@Canes4life said in Blues 2024:
I would laugh so hard if the Blues pushed to get him into the 23 and then he F’d it up for them in the final. He’s cracked under pressure a lot in recent years, so you’re more than welcome to him.
@Canes4life said in Blues 2024:
I’ve got no problem him playing in the round robin as injury cover but he should have no right to play in the playoffs, would be a complete joke.
Sort it out mate.
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It is not an NZR Rule it is a SANZAAR rule, as it is their competition. And the rules are set, if you don't play before 1 April in the comp you can't play the finals - unless special circumstances. Like the Tahs, having lost 395 props, they would be allowed to bring someone else in if they were in the finals. I doubt the Blues are in the same boat with 1st fives/fullbacks. If another goes down, they might, but they have a couple and that's enough.
I don't have a problem with anyone coming in at any time. If a team thinks that bringing Dupont in for the finals is going to improve their team, I really doubt it. A full on ringer would be a problem in most cases, unless (like Cane, Beaudy) they have already spent significant time with the team@Machpants said in Blues 2024:
It is not an NZR Rule it is a SANZAAR rule, as it is their competition. And the rules are set, if you don't play before 1 April in the comp you can't play the finals - unless special circumstances.
This
Its a VG rule and it should be retained and followed. C4L mentioned Ardie and I agree. Bringing him back and dropping say Iose would undermine super rugby. Just when the crowds are coming back
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2024:
@Duluth A very nice read. So pleased for Plummer.
Yeah he had a lot of bad luck early. His general play was judged harder too because he had the goal kicking yips
