All Blacks 2024
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
"it will never happen"
This was never said.
Care to enlighten us then as to what the words "no chance" mean?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
"it will never happen"
This was never said.
Care to enlighten us then as to what the words "no chance" mean?
No chance means I believe he has no chance of being announced as captain in a few weeks because he's behind three better candidates IMO.
'it will never happen' means Papali'i will never be captain but I never said he will never be. His time might come post the next WC. Who knows.
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Why do you Blues fans seriously think Dalton is going to be captain? I will happily eat my humble pie if he's announced in a couple weeks. I just can't see it.
Scott Barrett has captained under Razor at the Saders and has had plenty of success, he's likely to go with someone he knows well, just like Fozzie did with SCane.
Ardie improved immensely as captain last year compared to the previous year and I recall plenty on here wanting him to keep the job even when Cane came back last year.
Taylor has also had success leading the Saders under Roberston.
But let's pick a Blue that isn't even the captain of his own franchise. Righto.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why do you Blues fans seriously think Dalton is going to be captain? I will happily eat my humble pie if he's announced in a couple weeks. I just can't see it.
It's more traditional to eat a hat
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why do you Blues fans seriously think Dalton is going to be captain? I will happily eat my humble pie if he's announced in a couple weeks. I just can't see it.
It's more traditional to eat a hat
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Why do you Blues fans seriously think Dalton is going to be captain? I will happily eat my humble pie if he's announced in a couple weeks. I just can't see it.
It's more traditional to eat a hat
Momentum is building.
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Why do you Blues fans seriously think Dalton is going to be captain? I will happily eat my humble pie if he's announced in a couple weeks. I just can't see it.
Scott Barrett has captained under Razor at the Saders and has had plenty of success, he's likely to go with someone he knows well, just like Fozzie did with SCane.
Ardie improved immensely as captain last year compared to the previous year and I recall plenty on here wanting him to keep the job even when Cane came back last year.
Taylor has also had success leading the Saders under Roberston.
But let's pick a Blue that isn't even the captain of his own franchise. Righto.
If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
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If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
If it happens then I can see the reasoning but I just can’t see it happening personally. I think both Ardie and Scott will make it to the next World Cup which is why I think they are heavy favourites. All the ex players that I’ve heard speak to the media are backing Ardie but I think Razor will go with his Crusader link in Barrett. Dalton might captain the odd game when others are out like Ardie has done recently but he won’t be the main captain so to speak. Anyway, I’m done talking about it tbh. What will be will be and if it’s Dalton then all good. Aslong as we get the results then that’s all that matters at the end of the day.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
If it happens then I can see the reasoning but I just can’t see it happening personally. I think both Ardie and Scott will make it to the next World Cup which is why I think they are heavy favourites. All the ex players that I’ve heard speak to the media are backing Ardie but I think Razor will go with his Crusader link in Barrett. Dalton might captain the odd game when others are out like Ardie has done recently but he won’t be the main captain so to speak. Anyway, I’m done talking about it tbh. What will be will be and if it’s Dalton then all good. Aslong as we get the results then that’s all that matters at the end of the day.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If it happens then I can see the reasoning
hah! You've come a long way from 'no chance'
I don't think it's likely. Jordie is another contender to be fair, 12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action to captain, and he's likely to be locked in for the cycle.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If it happens then I can see the reasoning
hah! You've come a long way from 'no chance'
I don't think it's likely. Jordie is another contender to be fair, 12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action to captain, and he's likely to be locked in for the cycle.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If it happens then I can see the reasoning
hah! You've come a long way from 'no chance'
I don't think it's likely. Jordie is another contender to be fair, 12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action to captain, and he's likely to be locked in for the cycle.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If it happens then I can see the reasoning
hah! You've come a long way from 'no chance'
I don't think it's likely. Jordie is another contender to be fair, 12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action to captain, and he's likely to be locked in for the cycle.
Is still think he has pretty much no chance but that’s my opinion. In saying that if he gets the gig then good on him. It’s not like I’m saying he shouldn’t be our 7, I just think Savea and Barrett are way more likely.
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If he's picked, it'll be looking at a 4 year cycle, and to avoid a new captain in a year or two.
Taylor gets subbed and wlil struggle to be first choice in 4 years
Ardie is getting to the tail end of the career
ScoBa is the favourite but his ability to influence refs and not do stupid things is in question. And he may not want it.
Other than that if you're looking for locked in players for a 4 year cycle who aren't backs, you're going to struggle.The AB captain doesn't tend to captain the province I don't think. Fitzy didn't, I think Richie stopped (happy to be corrected), and who knows with Cane.
Whoever gets picked, hopefully the provincialism dies off and we just get behind the team (unless there are dodgy Cantab selections of course)
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@gt12 Well Razor is from the mount so
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - lo oking forward:
Mils at Centre?
Mils is an interesting one, initially selected out of position at 15 because Bitchell hated Cullen, then selected out of position at 13 because early Conrad kept breaking.
Deans picked McDonald at centre for the 2003 semi final over a fully fit Umaga which lost us the game because Mortlock had rigorously targetted Leon's channel - the final nail in the coffin was the Spencer intercept happened because Leon was not in the right position to receive the pass because of his inexperience in the midfield, if Umaga had played 13 he would've picked Spencer's pass and scored under the posts.
Mind you, it's a bit of a pity that Tana didn't use this superior positional awareness to not run into Carlos in the Italy game, which is how he hurt his leg in the first place!
A bit rough to blame Tana. Even Carlos didn't know where Carlos was going half the time...
Tana should have run into a less tough first five like Merhts.
If Mitch and Robbie had had a bit more vision they could have played Danny Boy at first five and Ma'a at second five - both in the squad and unused!
Disgraceful indeed, Deans thought Caleb Ralph was more deserving of selection in the 23 than those 2 future All Black Goats...
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I'd say Papali'i definitely has a higher chance than Taylor.
You don't have to be on the field for 80 minutes to be captain but you do need to at least he starting 9/10 games and I don't think Taylor fits that bill.
If Robertson sees Blackadder as a potential 7 option then I suspect the captaincy will got to Barrett. Otherwise, I think Papali'i has a very good shot (probably better than Savea).
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Lol that part was tongue and cheek but let's be honest Razor will be slated for it down in Chch.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Lol that part was tongue and cheek but let's be honest Razor will be slated for it down in Chch.
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People forget the controversial leadership meeting razor had before departure to France with last years blues captain down in Chch (amongst 4-5 others including a barret back).
@hkkiwi said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
People forget the controversial leadership meeting razor had before departure to France with last years blues captain down in Chch (amongst 4-5 others including a barret back).
Probably getting his leadership team in order. I can see Paps being a part of that.
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People forget the controversial leadership meeting razor had before departure to France with last years blues captain down in Chch (amongst 4-5 others including a barret back).
@hkkiwi said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
People forget the controversial leadership meeting razor had before departure to France with last years blues captain down in Chch (amongst 4-5 others including a barret back).
This is even juicier than having breakfast with Joe Moody, Liam Squire, Jerome Kaino and Damian McKenzie.
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Savea would be a shortsighted option, he's in his 30's and is competing with a plethora of younger 8's coming through. He's also demonstrated to be a poor captain in the past. Dalton Papali'i and Jordie Barrett are both 26, they are my picks if Scott doesn't get the role.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action
Superb work sir
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
12 and meaty may be cloes enough to the action
Superb work sir
I thought that post sounded a bit porno personally but if you like it that’s all good fella.
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I would look at the captaincy this way. Who won't be replaced during a test match? That is most likely to be S Barrett. If the captain is either Savea or Papalii, that will have an impact on the selection of the other two loose forwards to allow sufficient cover across 6, 7 and 8, but particularly no.8. Savea could start at no.8 and move to 7, for example, to bring on a player like Sotutu.
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I would look at the captaincy this way. Who won't be replaced during a test match? That is most likely to be S Barrett. If the captain is either Savea or Papalii, that will have an impact on the selection of the other two loose forwards to allow sufficient cover across 6, 7 and 8, but particularly no.8. Savea could start at no.8 and move to 7, for example, to bring on a player like Sotutu.
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I would look at the captaincy this way. Who won't be replaced during a test match? That is most likely to be S Barrett. If the captain is either Savea or Papalii, that will have an impact on the selection of the other two loose forwards to allow sufficient cover across 6, 7 and 8, but particularly no.8. Savea could start at no.8 and move to 7, for example, to bring on a player like Sotutu.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would look at the captaincy this way. Who won't be replaced during a test match? That is most likely to be S Barrett. If the captain is either Savea or Papalii, that will have an impact on the selection of the other two loose forwards to allow sufficient cover across 6, 7 and 8, but particularly no.8. Savea could start at no.8 and move to 7, for example, to bring on a player like Sotutu.
Although I agree that your captain should really be on the field for the full match, that's not been the case for plenty of recent Test captains.
Sam Cane, Siya Kolisi, Johnny Sexton, Tate McDermott, Julian Montoya are all recent examples. If captains have to remain on the field for the full match then you're really restricting your options to locks, loose forwards, midfielders and possibly your No 10 (given outside backs are largely considered too far away from the action).
I think the key thing is that you're confident your vice-captain can step up, even if he's not on the park. That might mean running a guy like Codie Taylor off the pine and handing him VC duties, with Aumua and Taukei'aho sharing the starting duties.
