All Blacks 2024
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I would have Billy P over Rieko at the moment too
ha ha ha ha. This thread is going crazy now.
69 tests, 36 tries, he's probably one of the first names on the team sheet. Billy P has his strengths, but he's a rookie at Test level.
Of all the posts, this is the one that's crazy? It's not like Rieko has set the world alight at centre and he's not exactly having a standout season. Be honest, he's only the incumbent because it's been ridiculously slim pickings - he's not even close to being a pick in any world XV I'd say.
With Rieko - Super form doesn't = test form it seems (like a long line of Blues; Kaino, Rokocoko etc)
Rieko is having a better Super Rugby season this year than last year (despite two nasty head knocks) and he had a terrific test season last year (people easily forget he threw two try assist passes in our QF win over Ireland). It's also worth noting Rieko has played well in the two playoff games this year.
There are certainly aspects to Proctor's game that look better than Rieko's (he can kick, he has better hands etc) but there are question marks as to whether he can transfer it to test level.
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@KiwiMurph oh of course, but I think it's one of the least crazy posts on here to suggest it's worth seeing if Proctor can translate.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph oh of course, but I think it's one of the least crazy posts on here to suggest it's worth seeing if Proctor can translate.
That's fair. I think "only the incumbent because of ridiculously slim pickings" is harsh. He had an excellent World Cup at 13.
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@Bones the comparison was Procter over Reiko. Based, presumably on Super form, hence my comment.
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
So you'd be prepared to season and consume a delicious hat if he did?
Come on man, we've had people saying things like Miller is in the frame and you jump on the post saying that a guy playing excellently in a position with zero depth is worth a punt.
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We are not going to know how Proctor performs at test level until he’s selected in the ABs so it makes sense to select him. Hopefully he gets an opportunity to start alongside Jordie who he’s created a very good combo with. Proctor is capable of overtaking Ioane eventually because he has all the attributes to be a world class centre aswell.
Let’s hope he can take the most of his opportunities (if selected).
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lol Reiko would start for basically everyone. Who is better? And don't say fucking Am, who hasn't done shit in years.
Reiko would transform Ireland for instance.
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@Bones the comparison was Procter over Reiko. Based, presumably on Super form, hence my comment.
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones the comparison was Procter over Reiko. Based, presumably on Super form, hence my comment.
Rieko has been very very good in Black, and there is no chance Procter goes past him based on Super.
the first point...what else would it be based on seeing as Proctor hasnt played test rugby?
second point...is that where we are? super rugby is no longer where people put their hand up for higher honors?....we have to wait for RI to get old and retire before anyone can be considered in the 13 jersey
the whole argument of someone is only proven at super level and unproven at test level...when they havent been given a chance to prove themselves at test level is maddening, much like saying form at test level from 9 months ago completely eclipses form from the last few months....sure, its a consideration...as annoying as it is some players only really shine in Black...but it cant be everything
this is where the joke about being harder to be dropped from the AB's than make the AB's becomes less funny
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Lol
Good argues
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
Proctor still played well, it’s not his fault Perenara, Cameron and Jordie shat the bed inside him last week. Proctor’s been the best centre in NZ this year, showed consistent form all year and was named the Canes player of the year. He was better than both Ioane and ALB overall this year and his combination with Jordie can’t be ignored.
ALB and Ioane have had plenty of chances in Black and both contributed to a poor ABs period so it’s not exactly like these guys are Nonu and Smith / untouchable. Proctor will push his claim. The Canes breed AB centres so he’ll be fine.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
apparently it doesn't make a difference, you need to be an AB to prove you deserve to be an AB
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
apparently it doesn't make a difference, you need to be an AB to prove you deserve to be an AB
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
apparently it doesn't make a different, you need to be an AB to prove you deserve to be an AB
No wonder the ABs have gone nowhere in recent years.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
