All Blacks 2024
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
apparently it doesn't make a difference, you need to be an AB to prove you deserve to be an AB
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
apparently it doesn't make a different, you need to be an AB to prove you deserve to be an AB
No wonder the ABs have gone nowhere in recent years.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
I totally get your point but this example probably isn’t the best one to use haha
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
I totally get your point but this example probably isn’t the best one to use haha
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
I totally get your point but this example probably isn’t the best one to use haha
Yeah my dwindling enthusiasm was pretty evident.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
If you've visited the food thread you'll realise my stumble upon a cardiac burger has proven life is good and there's more to life than Billy Proctor.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
If you've visited the food thread you'll realise my stumble upon a cardiac burger has proven life is good and there's more to life than Billy Proctor.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
If you've visited the food thread you'll realise my stumble upon a cardiac burger has proven life is good and there's more to life than Billy Proctor.
More to life than arguing about Rugby online ? Fuck RIGHT off bro !!!
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
If you've visited the food thread you'll realise my stumble upon a cardiac burger has proven life is good and there's more to life than Billy Proctor.
More to life than arguing about Rugby online ? Fuck RIGHT off bro !!!
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@MN5 plus I'm in fucking Dublin and my desire for anything other than getting the fuck outta this shithole is low.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 plus I'm in fucking Dublin and my desire for anything other than getting the fuck outta this shithole is low.
For someone with Hutt roots that is quite the diss indeed
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MN5 plus I'm in fucking Dublin and my desire for anything other than getting the fuck outta this shithole is low.
For someone with Hutt roots that is quite the diss indeed
The Hutt Valley is absolute paradise and I won't hear anything different.
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Lam is barely 4th or 5th choice in any position in my view. I would have Billy P over Rieko at the moment too. I do hope they pick the two best players in every position and not go down the versatile 4th or 5th choice route.
@ARHS Hmmm. I thought I posted to the effect that Procter and Rieko are the best two 13s currently and must be picked there ahead of AJ Lam, and that I would like to see Procter tried in combo with Jordie against England to keep the pressure on Rieko, who may or may not have been cruising through chunks of super season. But alas when a few words are quoted, the experts see it as outlandish drivel.. . Lol, who would want to be a journo or interviewee these days.
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@ARHS Hmmm. I thought I posted to the effect that Procter and Rieko are the best two 13s currently and must be picked there ahead of AJ Lam, and that I would like to see Procter tried in combo with Jordie against England to keep the pressure on Rieko, who may or may not have been cruising through chunks of super season. But alas when a few words are quoted, the experts see it as outlandish drivel.. . Lol, who would want to be a journo or interviewee these days.
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ARHS Hmmm. I thought I posted to the effect that Procter and Rieko are the best two 13s currently and must be picked there ahead of AJ Lam, and that I would like to see Procter tried in combo with Jordie against England to keep the pressure on Rieko, who may or may not have been cruising through chunks of super season. But alas when a few words are quoted, the experts see it as outlandish drivel.. . Lol, who would want to be a journo or interviewee these days.
Peak ferning is arguing with yourself. Bravo, sir.
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Tamaiti Williams is a probable inclusion : he has not played a lot of rugby this year but he did very well during the RWC as an impact player from the bench. He is a powerful scrummager when on the LH side and has one of the highest ceilings among the NZ props. Moreover, he is a Cantabrian. My prediction for the props :
De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Williams, Lomax, Newell. As OfaT and Williams can cover TH, I don't see the need of selecting six props. -
sort of adding to my point above, if the AB game style is dependent on a big munter to run straight from 12, who is the 2nd best player in NZ to do that? If it is AJ Lam, then pick him. Is he a better player than, say, ALB? no, but is he the best fit for the game style the coaches want? if the answer is yes, then that's how you select.
modules:composer.user_said_in, @mariner4life, All Blacks 2024 - looking forward
sort of adding to my point above, if the AB game style is dependent on a big munter to run straight from 12, who is the 2nd best player in NZ to do that? If it is AJ Lam, then pick him. Is he a better player than, say, ALB? no, but is he the best fit for the game style the coaches want? if the answer is yes, then that's how you select.
The point I made earlier. In fact, most of the 12/3 hybrids are about the same size. Heem is bigger and taller, but at 35 isn’t a realistic prospect.
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Tamaiti Williams is a probable inclusion : he has not played a lot of rugby this year but he did very well during the RWC as an impact player from the bench. He is a powerful scrummager when on the LH side and has one of the highest ceilings among the NZ props. Moreover, he is a Cantabrian. My prediction for the props :
De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Williams, Lomax, Newell. As OfaT and Williams can cover TH, I don't see the need of selecting six props.@cgrant said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Tamaiti Williams is a probable inclusion : he has not played a lot of rugby this year but he did very well during the RWC as an impact player from the bench. He is a powerful scrummager when on the LH side and has one of the highest ceilings among the NZ props. Moreover, he is a Cantabrian. My prediction for the props :
De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Williams, Lomax, Newell. As OfaT and Williams can cover TH, I don't see the need of selecting six props.Yeah Williams will be selected for sure.
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there really isn't the need for "utilities" in the back line. Nearly everyone can play in more than one position. The only value BBarrett brings is he covers 10 and 15. ALB covers both midfields. You can stick anyone on a wing
Picking a guy because he's put a 15 and a 12 jersey on before is flawed thinking.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
there really isn't the need for "utilities" in the back line. Nearly everyone can play in more than one position. The only value BBarrett brings is he covers 10 and 15. ALB covers both midfields. You can stick anyone on a wing
Picking a guy because he's put a 15 and a 12 jersey on before is flawed thinking.
If they pick Harry Plummer, he can also cover midfield at 12
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In a list of guys that play 12 like Barrett, Lam is right up there.
Probably:
Lam
Proctor
PoihipiWho am I missing?
modules:composer.user_said_in, @Bones, All Blacks 2024 - looking forward
In a list of guys that play 12 like Barrett, Lam is right up there.
Probably:
Lam
Proctor
PoihipiWho am I missing?
Tuapea?
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lol Reiko would start for basically everyone. Who is better? And don't say fucking Am, who hasn't done shit in years.
Reiko would transform Ireland for instance.
modules:composer.user_said_in, @mariner4life, All Blacks 2024 - looking forward
lol Reiko would start for basically everyone. Who is better? And don't say fucking Am, who hasn't done shit in years.
Reiko would transform Ireland for instance.
Is Reiko any relation to Seiko?
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
ALB outplayed procter last week . let’s see what happens this week against Ioane
Proctor also outplayed Ioane and ALB when the sides met earlier in the year so horses for courses.
Better to build depth and have all these guys pushing each other than having utilities that can cover multiple positions so to speak.
Ioane will start as the preferred midfield option but if he lasts there until the next World Cup will remain to be seen.
when u are a uncapped player and you are meeting 60+ test players in a knockout games it pays to outplay them if you want to advance your case
Proctor still played well, it’s not his fault Perenara, Cameron and Jordie shat the bed inside him last week. Proctor’s been the best centre in NZ this year, showed consistent form all year and was named the Canes player of the year. He was better than both Ioane and ALB overall this year and his combination with Jordie can’t be ignored.
ALB and Ioane have had plenty of chances in Black and both contributed to a poor ABs period so it’s not exactly like these guys are Nonu and Smith / untouchable. Proctor will push his claim. The Canes breed AB centres so he’ll be fine.
@Canes4life Your loyalty is touching, Matt.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
modules:composer.user_said_in, @MN5, All Blacks 2024 - looking forward
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Fickou, Danty, Ikitau...
Ikitau? Rieko regularly outplays him at test and Super level (including last weekend)
As much as Drummond regularly outplayed Smith at super level.
You seem to have missed the *and test level.
Ikitau is a good player but his form is nowhere near what it was 2-3 years ago.
Just as well the squad is named on Monday - we've all drained as much out of these topics as we can I think haha
Reckon if Smith played for Australia and Drummond played ABs he would have "outplayed" him there too.
But yeah I'm not as committed to this stoush as I'm making out.
Where's razor?
The old @Bones wouldn’t have backed out. Talk about getting soft in your old age.
Don’t you mean the young @Bones? He is the old @Bones!
