All Blacks 2024
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
Are we watching the same Sotutu? The guy is good with ball in hand but he'
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Perofeta is interesting. I can't see why. Someone mentioned above he's been good the last couple of weeks, but then Leon said it was picked before the finals so...
I don't see our fullbacks as being a spot the opposition will worry about too much
He wasn’t good in the final, in fact he was the most ineffective Blues back on Saturday. Lam, Ioane and Plummer were the standouts. I’d be happier if they picked Plummer as a 10 and Beauden as a fullback. But Perofeta over Love is just baffling.
Leon McDonald tortured us with his shithouse Blues selections for 4 years & now we are forced to endure another 4...
Haven't we suffered enough....@Canes4life?
Hey man, I was on the Sotutu bandwagon aswell. Piss poor the fact he hasn't been selected. Having Blackadder and Jacobsen there fs it all up.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean
Ardie is a total energizer bunny workhorse who stood out even when we played shit.Sure - all that energy saved from not putting a hard shoulder on, leaning on rucks catching his breath.
Someone is butt hurt their golden boy didn’t make the ABs. Jog on.
Not my golden boy.
You know the criticisms are true because your only response is to go herp derp WR PoTY. Not the selection of dominant tackles preventing a team making metres. Not hitting rucks slowing down their ball.
You even admit we need to pick players to do the work he isn't. That's telling.
Yes he is. You’re taking all your frustrations out on Ardie because Sotutu missed out.
Show me the stats that show Ardie didn’t make dominant tackles etc. you’re full of shit. Ask Eben Etzebeth what it’s like getting chucked around by Ardie if he doesn’t do the hard work like you say he does.
You’re just a sheep echoing what other people are saying. Ardie is the hardest working player in the ABs apart from maybe Whitelock. Get wrecked.
@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
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I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
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I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country. The fact he has missed selection here is disgraceful. For years we sat back and watched Ioane get overlooked, while coaches sat up there and made vague statements in favour of clearly inferior players. He's gone now, while worse players are in. Sotutu is exactly the same. This is a bullshit decision. That loose forward mix is all over the place.
Blackadder and Jacobson are the same player (but Jacobson is better). For a former loose forward it appears he knows fuck all about loose forward play at test level. I shouldn't be surprised, this is a guy who was a barely adequate test player picking similar players. John Mitchell-esque.
6 loosies. Finau and Ioane. Papali'i and Jacobson. Savea and Sotutu. That was easy. Next group.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were giving of Savea..
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This was the All Blacks MOTM standings at the end of last year. Clearly people have short memories about Ardie completely killing it last year.
18 Jordie Barrett
17 Ardie Savea
15 Mark Telea
13 Scott Barrett
13 Will Jordan
11 Damian McKenzie
11 Cam Roigard
10 Brodie Retallick
9 Aaron Smith
8 Richie Mo'unga
8 Shannon Frizell
8 Leicester Fainga'anuku
7 Rieko Iaone
6 Sam Cane
4 Sam Whitelock
2 Ethan de Groot
2 Codie Taylor
2 Samipeni Finau
1 Dalton Papali'i -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were giving of Savea..
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were given of Savea..
when was Sotutu last in the ABs? Seems to be a better player defensively than before as well.
Edit: and he has a great linking game as well. -
@nzzp Finau is a must at blindside given his size and lineout work.
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@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were given of Savea..
when was Sotutu last in the ABs? Seems to be a better player defensively than before as well.
Edit: and he has a great linking game as well.@nostrildamus 2022 and he was the worst performing loose forward for the All Blacks that season, by a sizeable margin.
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And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
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@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
Like I said before, it's the coaches problem to figure that out. They need to select players that can work with Ardie, or better yet not get red carded when it matters most.
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And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
Like Dan said, we know nothing…
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life Ardie's not the problem, but he was part of the problem. Pick Ardie, you need to pick specific players around him. Sam Cane is not htat player - he introduced other issues.
There's a goddamn long bow from 'he unbalances the trio' to 'drop him' - he would be insane coming on at 50. That said, he is a stopgap lineout (at best), so you're going to need to pick 1 or 2 tall timber to go with him. And some people who want to do the ruck hitting as well.
He's top tier, but he drives the loose trio in a particular direction.
Like I said before, it's the coaches problem to figure that out. They need to select players that can work with Ardie, or better yet not get red carded when it matters most.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
not get red carded when it matters most.
we talking about Scott or Sam now?
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@nostrildamus 2022 and he was the worst performing loose forward for the All Blacks that season, by a sizeable margin.
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus 2022 and he was the worst performing loose forward for the All Blacks that season, by a sizeable margin.
My point isn't how well he played in 2022 (and I'm not sure SF had blinders every test that year) I point is HS hasn't been tested internationally TWO FREAKING YEARS.
Oops caps lock. Oops not oops.
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Because that's how you end up with a plodder like Frizzell
I ain't walking back shit. I don't believe Ardie should be locked in to the 8 jersey.
And yes caners he played differently in the RWC and we suffered. Because suddenly no one was playing anywhere but tight.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
Like Dan said, we know nothing…
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
And look at the comments post the final on this thread. There were a whopping 38 votes for Ardie.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6384/all-blacks-motm-rwc-final/45?_=1719216667495
He's such a highlight reel player though aye.
Like Dan said, we know nothing…
Well that's pretty obvious based on some of the comments on this thread.
You even quoted the following 'Ardie - played himself to an absolute standstill' which personifies the mans work-rate.
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All I can really say is Razor wanted to be known as the coach who picked the best players...
Hold my bud light say Bell, Perofeta, Blackadder, Jacobsen and Tosi (who was on no-one's rader but the AB selectors it appears).
Feel sory for Sotutu, Plumber, Laki and Love - all of them deserve to be there.
Very odd we've only got 3 players covering 1st 5 and fullback.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were giving of Savea..
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I was going to come here and troll hard out, and there is so much rich, fertile soil here to do it
I'm on record over a few years now calling Hoskins Sotutu the best all-round loose forward in the country.
What planet do you reside on bro?
Hoskins is a great attacking number 8, but has been proven ineffective at test level time and time again, he just is isn't effective on both sides of the ball, drifts in and out of matches and doesn't make a good enough impact on defense - almost like the description you were giving of Savea..
Who the fuck are you?
When were all those occasions he got a game? Who did he play with? When had he last played When he played?
Time and time again? 14 total tests in 3 years
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Because that's how you end up with a plodder like Frizzell
I ain't walking back shit. I don't believe Ardie should be locked in to the 8 jersey.
And yes caners he played differently in the RWC and we suffered. Because suddenly no one was playing anywhere but tight.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Because that's how you end up with a plodder like Frizzell
I ain't walking back shit. I don't believe Ardie should be locked in to the 8 jersey.
And yes caners he played differently in the RWC and we suffered. Because suddenly no one was playing anywhere but tight.
We suffered because Cane went and got himself red carded and he wasn't there to do his job when it mattered most. Ardie nearly pulled us out of the shit by himself but it wasn't to be. Clearly everyone thought the same at the time by how many votes he got, but again the memory of people on here astounds me.
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All the contentious selections went with provincial bias of the selectors.
Ryan with Bell.
Razor with blackadder. Jacobsen is also a bad call and I'm a Chiefs fan.
McDonald with Perofeta.In appearing to be fair they seemed to have made it worse.
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When's the team named?
