All Blacks 2024
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From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)With Blues having 70% possession on occasion, straight tackles/match comparisons are bound to be misleading.
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One thing which has been noted before, and ties in with a Two Cents speculation is that at practice, Hoss, when he's not in the 23, has poor body language. Read that when Leon dug into that he wasn't disinterested, but just a laid back bloke. Needs some mentoring (and can imagine SV being quick to tell him to get his thumb out of his Rs). Given there's not much game time at this stage, I could imagine Razor seeing that as an issue.
In contrast, Wally S will be stoked just to be holding the tackle bags when Tamaiti hits them?! -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Scott Hansen comes across really well
Keep using him in the media please.
What did he say about Hoskins? I just missed that bit
Basically that he just needs to continue to do what he's doing - that his game is improved but he just needs to keep at it - they recognise he has points of difference to his game that other loosies don't bring. That he has been given a lot of feedback and pretty adamant that he's very close.
What he's doing, being the best 8 in the country clearly isn't working, otherwise he'd be in the team and not the young impact player from the Chiefs.
Smells a bit PR speak to me.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Scott Hansen comes across really well
Keep using him in the media please.
What did he say about Hoskins? I just missed that bit
Basically that he just needs to continue to do what he's doing - that his game is improved but he just needs to keep at it - they recognise he has points of difference to his game that other loosies don't bring. That he has been given a lot of feedback and pretty adamant that he's very close.
What he's doing, being the best 8 in the country clearly isn't working, otherwise he'd be in the team and not the young impact player from the Chiefs.
Smells a bit PR speak to me.
He came across as a decent guy but I thought the answer to the question sounded a bit generic , because it was very similar when asked about Plummer .
We love what he’s doing , he’s just got to keep it going yada yada .
I guess shag was a one off , you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink , we may not see blunt answers like that again .
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
A journo looks at the stats and attempts to figure out the Sotutu omission
EDIT: and ignore the click bait headline (headline editors are fluffybunnies) it is a bit more thoughtful than SOTUTU SHIT AT THIS ZOMFG
It's a good effort, but completely fails to make allowance for how the respective Chiefs and Blues coaches wanted them to play.
The Blues front five, and Akira were brutal in carry and clean so the role of no 8 did not require as much physicality. In fact, one can argue that it made more sense for Sotutu to add his unique talents to compliment that rather than just more of the same. Notice how Kwagga Smith fed off PSDT hits?
Chiefs front five much less effective, which meant Sititi encouraged to go direct, which he did very well.
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Where the rubber hits the road is that the Blues pack were markedly more physical than Chiefs and Blues defence was best in comp. Drawing a very long bow to contort that into indicating weakness of Sotutu in his role.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
As for tackle height, I'd venture that Chiefs coaches were more onto emphasising low hits than Blues.
Interestingly it was something highlighted by Hansen, so ABs also emphasize low tackle height. They look at how the international game is reffed, much harsher than SR, and low tackling is a key part of what they want. It may be that the Blues style of choke tackling to slow the opposition down hasn't helped their case with the ABs
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Number one point here is that Nogusta pointed out that Leon MacDonald didn't back Sotutu. No wonder he failed so hard without Schmidt. Never backed his own players? Get fucked.
@Tim Yeah can't say I'm disappointed to see the back of him.
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@MajorRage Ardie overlooked for the captaincy, albeit for a very good candidate in Scott Barrett
Akira Ioane, nowhere to be seen, although he's signed to go to Japan.
Hoskins Sotutu not included, but given some encouraging comments by the Head Coach.
We might not like it, but questions will be asked if there's a pattern here?
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@MajorRage Ardie overlooked for the captaincy, albeit for a very good candidate in Scott Barrett
Akira Ioane, nowhere to be seen, although he's signed to go to Japan.
Hoskins Sotutu not included, but given some encouraging comments by the Head Coach.
We might not like it, but questions will be asked if there's a pattern here?
Only if you’re an idiot.
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One thing which has been noted before, and ties in with a Two Cents speculation is that at practice, Hoss, when he's not in the 23, has poor body language. Read that when Leon dug into that he wasn't disinterested, but just a laid back bloke. Needs some mentoring (and can imagine SV being quick to tell him to get his thumb out of his Rs). Given there's not much game time at this stage, I could imagine Razor seeing that as an issue.
In contrast, Wally S will be stoked just to be holding the tackle bags when Tamaiti hits them?!We only get tiny bits of info/speculation etc so anything we might say is not said from a position of authority.
It sounds like Sotutu may need some help/support with a particular side of his work - which is off the field and also being part of a team etc and displaying the kind of attitude that helps improve his overall performance and help his team mates towards that same goal.
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
He doesn’t appear to have an issue in the Blues environment however.
The way he has come back from the problems of last year to be the leading player in super rugby this year should speak volumes about him as a player/person.
As I say, it is just speculation and at this stage we are making shit up about why he is not in the squad.
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It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@MajorRage Ardie overlooked for the captaincy, albeit for a very good candidate in Scott Barrett
Akira Ioane, nowhere to be seen, although he's signed to go to Japan.
Hoskins Sotutu not included, but given some encouraging comments by the Head Coach.
We might not like it, but questions will be asked if there's a pattern here?
Only if you’re an idiot.
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We only get tiny bits of info/speculation etc so anything we might say is not said from a position of authority.
It sounds like Sotutu may need some help/support with a particular side of his work - which is off the field and also being part of a team etc and displaying the kind of attitude that helps improve his overall performance and help his team mates towards that same goal.
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
He doesn’t appear to have an issue in the Blues environment however.
The way he has come back from the problems of last year to be the leading player in super rugby this year should speak volumes about him as a player/person.
As I say, it is just speculation and at this stage we are making shit up about why he is not in the squad.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
We only get tiny bits of info/speculation etc so anything we might say is not said from a position of authority.
It sounds like Sotutu may need some help/support with a particular side of his work - which is off the field and also being part of a team etc and displaying the kind of attitude that helps improve his overall performance and help his team mates towards that same goal.
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
He doesn’t appear to have an issue in the Blues environment however.
The way he has come back from the problems of last year to be the leading player in super rugby this year should speak volumes about him as a player/person.
As I say, it is just speculation and at this stage we are making shit up about why he is not in the squad.
If you believe Hansen, as Razor's mouthpiece on the pod, the door is not closed. Their objective is to assemble the best possible ABs team they can, and right now for whatever reason he is not in the group. Hoskins had a great season, will have to take on board whatever they have told him to work on, and try to make his way back. He's still a young guy, I remember Rodney So'oialo getting dropped for a couple of seasons before cementing his place. Hoskins has much to offer, hopefully he can get there. And if he doesn't, I want to see the guys that get in ahead of him ripping up trees
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Miss the old days when coaches would back themselves to polish off the rough edges of talented players.
The Ali Williams selection stands out here, Henry made the call and Hanson replied "Well I'll make him a good player then". The way this group is selecting, players like Ali Williams wouldn't get near the squad.
Like I said last week, what's the point of having Zinzan Brooke style players if we pick the Arran Pene's (Blackadder) of the world?
Wish the coaches would, you know, coach.
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@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
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If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
Did we really need four wingers? Drop one and pick another loose forward.
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It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It seems that Sotutu only being able to play no.8 has also counted against him. With Savea certain to start in that position versatility was important to the AB coaches.
i hope this isn't a huge facture.....very simply...Savea picks up a niggle and we dont have arguably the best 8 in the country available....see how quickly that approach falls over?
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It's almost like the collar is huge to distract from the shoulder stripes so they can sneak it on.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
It's almost like the collar is huge to distract from the shoulder stripes so they can sneak it on.
....might be the wrong thread...but i saw it as the other way...youre staring at the collar....and the stripes are right there!
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
Did we really need four wingers? Drop one and pick another loose forward.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
If Ryan and Robertson have no intention of using Savea as a 7 then you need some players with the ability to play multiple positions, which really means the reserve loose forward. As I've said before, Sotutu would either start or not be in the 23 because of this.
If we assume Finau, Papalii and Savea start then the choices for the no.20 jersey are Blackadder (6/7), Jacobson (7/8) and Sititi (8/7). Maybe Papalii could be moved to 6 but I don't think he's been that successful for the ABs in that position. Ditto for Savea at 6 as that's not his game.
Did we really need four wingers? Drop one and pick another loose forward.
Drop a winger and pick a fourth lock FFS. Unless Finau is lock cover - becuase converted flankers always work well.
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From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)It's evident to me that their analysis is including the finals, which pumps up Sititi's defensive numbers because that's pretty much all the Chiefs did in the final. Sititi practically doubled his season average.
Season data looks a little more like this:
What's telling is the work on the other side of the ball.
Metres Carries DB CB Passes O TA Points Sotutu 638 120 26 5 124 17 7 55 Sititi 361 102 18 3 46 5 0 10 Guess Razor isn't as interested in attack.
