All Blacks vs England I
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@mariner4life Our line speed was shit. Our pattern was shit. How do you put pressure on the ruck with that kind of presence?
Apart from the set-pieces and defence, I've been underwhelmed by our forwards performance - particularly at the ruck - for the last few years. Really inconsistent and flaky.
We seem to have tried every 6-7 combination available. Wonder if we're trying to fit everything around Ardie instead of a combination greater than the sum of its parts.
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@Victor-Meldrew I am thinking about 2010 when Read established himself as a genuine number 8, after the Rodney So'oialo period. A period in which we didn't win a world cup.
Now who could fill that role ...
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew I am thinking about 2010 when Read established himself as a genuine number 8, after the Rodney So'oialo period. A period in which we didn't win a world cup.
Now who could fill that role ...
Robertson missed a trick there. Bringing Sotutu into the environment, if not in the squad, to do the work-on's would have been a sensible thing to do. He did it for very fringe player like Havili
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:
Rieko's handling
Always a problem
Wish Rieko could have a game at wing outside a centre who plays just like him. Ever heard of 'setting up your outsides'?
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Telea’s non-chase of the high ball has been ratshit
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs England I:
Telea’s non-chase of the high ball has been ratshit
Still don't think he's 100%.
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@Kirwan Carried better than the others too.
Savea is doing fuck all on defence and at the ruck.
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He was saying use it and got annoyed so penalised us
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:
He was saying use it and got annoyed so penalised us
EDG had been standing up under Stuart's armpit, not strictly legally throughout H1. FCS don't do that when ref on your side!!!!
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It seemed we were clearly trying something new on attack to offset rush defense and get around it. As I stated, it's the most space I've seen us create against it since the north first started employing it in mass after the Lions tour here.
We seemed to shelf it at halftime and go for a more pragmatic and simpler approach, perhaps just desperate to get the win first up and adapt to what turned into a grindfest, but it felt like we were very close to the gates completely opening up today if we executed better during that first half and built momentum.
They may be more comfortable using it for longer and tighter games as they get more time together.
But this is very reminiscent of the early days of Graham Henry and the flat backline approach which was very controversial at the time and not successful initially but reaped rewards at the end of Henrys first year and long after that.
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De Groot left his invisibility cloak in the sheds
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England I:
De Groot left his invisibility cloak in the sheds
Just that ref came over to his side.
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs England I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:
Telea has been very poor without the ball too
Telea was right in the grove a while back. It seems to have deserted him now
Agreed. Narawa would be better
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs England I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:
Telea has been very poor without the ball too
Telea was right in the grove a while back. It seems to have deserted him now
Agreed. Narawa would be better
Not at 11.
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Taylor’s throwing has been shite.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
Taylor’s throwing has been shite.
Seemed to go right off after halftime.
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@Gunner Please link ONE game under Foster against a northern rush defense that we found that much space out wide.
Not even close, I have not seen us create that level of space since before the Lions came down in 2017 and suffocated us with their defense, which was to be a precursor for the next 8 years of games against northern opposition.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:
Please link ONE game under Foster against a northern rush defense that we found that much space out wide.
This is hilarious. We scored two tries, and sixteen points. It was as far from creating space out wide as it could get.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:
Much better 2nd half by scooter
Hasn't been playing much rugby.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:
Yeah Taylor was average, aumua much better
Taylor was absolutely first class in the first half scrums. But second half lineout blips destroyed our momentum.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:
Please link ONE game under Foster against a northern rush defense that we found that much space out wide.
This is hilarious. We scored two tries, and sixteen points. It was as far from creating space out wide as it could get.
@Tim Is the world binary to you? Can you not think in more detail?
We only employed this pattern for the first half, and resorted to territory and a much more narrow game in the second half, so pointless to tie all future utility of this pattern to just the points scored at the end of this one game, the literal first game we've employed this.
There are clearly confounding variables you're purposely ignoring. Even Razor himself said the thing, stating that he felt we created many opportunities and felt we were close to breaking the game open.
This is a style that is clearly going to be built upon, and I saw enough with the actual moments in the game that we were able to get around a defensive pattern that we have not been able to for the last 8 years.
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If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
You say that like creating mismatches isn't a key part of any good rugby strategy...
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@Tim Is the world binary to you? Can you not think in more detail?
We only employed this pattern for the first half, and resorted to territory and a much more narrow game in the second half, so pointless to tie all future utility of this pattern to just the points scored at the end of this one game, the literal first game we've employed this.
There are clearly confounding variables you're purposely ignoring. Even Razor himself said the thing, stating that he felt we created many opportunities and felt we were close to breaking the game open.
This is a style that is clearly going to be built upon, and I saw enough with the actual moments in the game that we were able to get around a defensive pattern that we have not been able to for the last 8 years.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tim Is the world binary to you? Can you not think in more detail?
We only employed this pattern for the first half, and resorted to territory and a much more narrow game in the second half, so pointless to tie all future utility of this pattern to just the points scored at the end of this one game, the literal first game we've employed this.
There are clearly confounding variables you're purposely ignoring. Even Razor himself said the thing, stating that he felt we created many opportunities and felt we were close to breaking the game open.
This is a style that is clearly going to be built upon, and I saw enough with the actual moments in the game that we were able to get around a defensive pattern that we have not been able to for the last 8 years.
In two weeks Robertson may have a found a way around a defence that's eluded other coaches in the last 8 years, but I'm dubious. Can you describe the pattern in the first half? I didn't notice it. Can you give more detail?
Robertson may have talked about creating opportunities and being close to breaking the game open, but we'd expect that sort of comment from any coach after a mediocre performance.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
You say that like creating mismatches isn't a key part of any good rugby strategy...
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
You say that like creating mismatches isn't a key part of any good rugby strategy...
Yeah wouldn't consider that exactly a well created mismatch. 99 times out of a hundred he makes that tackle anyway.
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England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England I:
England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
Spencer?! Were we watching the same game? Mitchell was excellent, Spencer slowed everything down and by not bossing the back of that lineout maul he basically cost us the game.
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
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Pretty gutted to miss that opportunity, but overall don’t think we really deserved the win. Still, pleased with the pack and the defence in the most part.
Furbank and Feyi-waboso were good, but we just didn’t keep the ball well enough in the AB half.
Still, pleased we’re in these games and showing signs of progress. It’s been a while since I’ve had hope.
