All Blacks vs England I
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@Tim Is the world binary to you? Can you not think in more detail?
We only employed this pattern for the first half, and resorted to territory and a much more narrow game in the second half, so pointless to tie all future utility of this pattern to just the points scored at the end of this one game, the literal first game we've employed this.
There are clearly confounding variables you're purposely ignoring. Even Razor himself said the thing, stating that he felt we created many opportunities and felt we were close to breaking the game open.
This is a style that is clearly going to be built upon, and I saw enough with the actual moments in the game that we were able to get around a defensive pattern that we have not been able to for the last 8 years.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Tim Is the world binary to you? Can you not think in more detail?
We only employed this pattern for the first half, and resorted to territory and a much more narrow game in the second half, so pointless to tie all future utility of this pattern to just the points scored at the end of this one game, the literal first game we've employed this.
There are clearly confounding variables you're purposely ignoring. Even Razor himself said the thing, stating that he felt we created many opportunities and felt we were close to breaking the game open.
This is a style that is clearly going to be built upon, and I saw enough with the actual moments in the game that we were able to get around a defensive pattern that we have not been able to for the last 8 years.
In two weeks Robertson may have a found a way around a defence that's eluded other coaches in the last 8 years, but I'm dubious. Can you describe the pattern in the first half? I didn't notice it. Can you give more detail?
Robertson may have talked about creating opportunities and being close to breaking the game open, but we'd expect that sort of comment from any coach after a mediocre performance.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
You say that like creating mismatches isn't a key part of any good rugby strategy...
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England I:
If the plan is for Perofeta to somehow waltz through a terrible attempt from the England 8, then it worked a treat.
You say that like creating mismatches isn't a key part of any good rugby strategy...
Yeah wouldn't consider that exactly a well created mismatch. 99 times out of a hundred he makes that tackle anyway.
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England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England I:
England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
Spencer?! Were we watching the same game? Mitchell was excellent, Spencer slowed everything down and by not bossing the back of that lineout maul he basically cost us the game.
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
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Pretty gutted to miss that opportunity, but overall don’t think we really deserved the win. Still, pleased with the pack and the defence in the most part.
Furbank and Feyi-waboso were good, but we just didn’t keep the ball well enough in the AB half.
Still, pleased we’re in these games and showing signs of progress. It’s been a while since I’ve had hope.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England I:
England should start Baby Face Nelson (ranga prop), Spencer and Finn Smith next week
Spencer?! Were we watching the same game? Mitchell was excellent, Spencer slowed everything down and by not bossing the back of that lineout maul he basically cost us the game.
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
Smith's weakness is he's always looking for the miracle play rather than just doing the basics. Slows the attack down way too often.
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Pretty gutted to miss that opportunity, but overall don’t think we really deserved the win. Still, pleased with the pack and the defence in the most part.
Furbank and Feyi-waboso were good, but we just didn’t keep the ball well enough in the AB half.
Still, pleased we’re in these games and showing signs of progress. It’s been a while since I’ve had hope.
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Furbank and Feyi-waboso were good, but we just didn’t keep the ball well enough in the AB half.
Furbank was more than good - awesome on defence
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@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
Smith's weakness is he's always looking for the miracle play rather than just doing the basics. Slows the attack down way too often.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
Smith's weakness is he's always looking for the miracle play rather than just doing the basics. Slows the attack down way too often.
I know what you mean but he also does create and find gaps for himself and other people. Also tackled really well.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
Smith's weakness is he's always looking for the miracle play rather than just doing the basics. Slows the attack down way too often.
I know what you mean but he also does create and find gaps for himself and other people. Also tackled really well.
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
Marcus had a good game IMO, Finn kicked really badly when he came on.
Smith's weakness is he's always looking for the miracle play rather than just doing the basics. Slows the attack down way too often.
I know what you mean but he also does create and find gaps for himself and other people. Also tackled really well.
I will forever be happy if England are selecting him to run the cutter against us. Would probably actually make a very good fullback, should follow Love's example.
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watched the game at the ground
funny reading peoples take on things
random thoughts
tight five were good
paps was ok
savea was savea
finau disappointing
perenaras the pick of halfbacks
Dmac was fine .took a knock just after BB came on took him a while to recover
JB good
ioane average
reece the pick of them MT kick chase poor rest of game ok looks slow
pereafeta surprisingly good
reserves mostly good
BB looks slow
definitely change of tactics in second half
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Ugly win is a win.
Sure, plenty to work on, but it was a win.
I think this would always be a regression on the final if only due to the loss of personell from it, Whitelock BBBR, Smith, Mounga, 4 very keyplayers in key positions and leaders.
A single point win is far better start to the year than a loss.
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Just watched this and have not read thread. Thank heaven for Sevu Reece, Telea and DMac, best 3 players on the park! But the tactics were not what I expected. Not enough pick n go down the middle in my view. And lots of half breaks but little continuity.
Pat T was a shadow of his usual self tonight. Thankfully Vaai was a dynamo when he came on. Both hookers were lively. But we could have done with Williams or Tosi rumbling it up.
Still not sure that Rieko is in good form at centre and would be happy to see Procter get a go.
And I was puzzled by a few of the refs decisions. But we probably got the rub of the green. Thought Paps would be the one penalised in that last play but no.
Great effort from England. Their loosies were great.@ARHS said in All Blacks vs England I:
Just watched this and have not read thread. Thank heaven for Sevu Reece, Telea and DMac, best 3 players on the park! But the tactics were not what I expected. Not enough pick n go down the middle in my view. And lots of half breaks but little continuity.
Pat T was a shadow of his usual self tonight. Thankfully Vaai was a dynamo when he came on. Both hookers were lively. But we could have done with Williams or Tosi rumbling it up.
Still not sure that Rieko is in good form at centre and would be happy to see Procter get a go.
And I was puzzled by a few of the refs decisions. But we probably got the rub of the green. Thought Paps would be the one penalised in that last play but no.
Great effort from England. Their loosies were great.Upvote for sharing comprehensive opinion, but I'm not sure we watched the same game.
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Shit that pissed me off for the last few years:
Rubbish kick chase
No ruck pressureTonight was exactly the same. Fucking trash.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
Shit that pissed me off for the last few years:
Rubbish kick chase
No ruck pressureTonight was exactly the same. Fucking trash.
One thing I liked better were TJ's box kicks were deeper.
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@mariner4life 41 - 10 really hurt, eh.
Must've been the two Blues in the starting pack that did it. Not the coaches or the six who got dominated at Super Rugby level.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:
@mariner4life 41 - 10 really hurt, eh.
Must've been the two Blues in the starting pack that did it. Not the coaches or the six who got dominated at Super Rugby level.
Super Rugby was sooo last month.
Move on man.
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England played well, looked cohesive. We love not giving the opposition any credit in NZ. The rush defence was very impressive and executed well.
Tight five went well, scrum dominant, lineouts need work, but nothing that can't be fixed. Particularly impressed with lineout, maul defence.
Loosies unbalanced. Play Ardie at 7 or he's a super sub.
Blackadder may have the opportunity to grab the 6....I hope he does as we've fluffed about with Akira, Frizzle who both had moments or the odd great match but never had the consistent performances required at test level.
I hope we move back to specialist 6,7,8 with cover on bench.Dmac got a lot of high balls directed at him, which he largely handled well. But he got poor quality ball, slow, and often static..
I feel TJ and ginga take so long that the runners can't time thier runs...hence static ball. Ratima deserves a go.
Backs didn't really get many opportunities..so happy to give them another go.. (CC starts if fit I suspect)
Certainly a pass mark for opening match against quality opposition.
I'm looking forward to the next match and expect to see an improved performance.
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Ugly win is a win.
Sure, plenty to work on, but it was a win.
I think this would always be a regression on the final if only due to the loss of personell from it, Whitelock BBBR, Smith, Mounga, 4 very keyplayers in key positions and leaders.
A single point win is far better start to the year than a loss.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England I:
Ugly win is a win.
Sure, plenty to work on, but it was a win.
I think this would always be a regression on the final if only due to the loss of personell from it, Whitelock BBBR, Smith, Mounga, 4 very keyplayers in key positions and leaders.
A single point win is far better start to the year than a loss.
Yeah I’m a bit like that, happy to take the win but my excitement levels are still on hold for now
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Not surprised we struggled. $5 at the TAB was silly odds for England - they were a dice roll away from pipping us.
Scrum good, but lineout struggled (as expected). Finau looked good in the lineout early I thought, but I spent the night with a mate drinking imperial stouts and whisky, so didn't really pay much attention to the game.
Noticeable step up from Super. Success in Super used to mean you'd star in the internationals. Hasn't been that way for some time, I think back to 2015 - the northern hemisphere comps are prepping people for Tests more than our domestics. It is a real concern.
Otherwise, a win's a win, take that and hopefully get better at Eden Park. Same issues may not go away though - we struggle to create space on attack, chip kicks still seem part of our game, and the time and space in Tests is so much smaller than at Super.
I thought DMac was fine. TJ and Christie's pass both a noticeable step down from Smith (obviously), but it affects the whole backline.
Perofeta surprisingly good! Delighted for him, but didn't see that performance coming offensively.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England I:
Ugly win is a win.
Sure, plenty to work on, but it was a win.
I think this would always be a regression on the final if only due to the loss of personell from it, Whitelock BBBR, Smith, Mounga, 4 very keyplayers in key positions and leaders.
A single point win is far better start to the year than a loss.
Yeah I’m a bit like that, happy to take the win but my excitement levels are still on hold for now
@kiwiinmelb think our expectations are unrealistic, history has done that to us, but most other fans are happy to win, by 1 or 15.
Sure this isn't the RWC Final, but winning is winning, and this gives us something to build on, shake off the rust start new combos.
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@kiwiinmelb think our expectations are unrealistic, history has done that to us, but most other fans are happy to win, by 1 or 15.
Sure this isn't the RWC Final, but winning is winning, and this gives us something to build on, shake off the rust start new combos.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England I:
@kiwiinmelb think our expectations are unrealistic, history has done that to us, but most other fans are happy to win, by 1 or 15.
Sure this isn't the RWC Final, but winning is winning, and this gives us something to build on, shake off the rust start new combos.
I was reading the comments in an English you tube page video earlier and it’s interesting how they saw it as an outstanding test match and were very happy with their team despite the loss, but overall loved the game.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs England I:
Telea’s non-chase of the high ball has been ratshit
Still don't think he's 100%.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs England I:
Telea’s non-chase of the high ball has been ratshit
Still don't think he's 100%.
Telea seems to lack pace? Great in contact.
