All Blacks vs England 2
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@Stag said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia the stats clearly show that Sotutu is well below the other loosies selected when it comes to the tough stuff:
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Sotutu was used for the Blues in a similar way that teams use Savea.
Sotutu's job was to pass (kick!) and run (and score trys). We had hardworking flankers to cover the rest, otherwise known as balance. He's pretty much like for like cover for Savea.
If he was asked to play a tighter role, he has the ability and fitness to do that. This reminds of when the Blues used to play Akira out wide and people complained about his workrate. When Cotter (and the ABs) wanted him closer in, he did it with ease.
IMO, player that can play multiple stlyes is useful for a squad, but what the fuck do I know.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
He had a fucking good game considering what he was given. Couple of hard carries, some good defence as well.
Right before he got substituted he had two men outside him in space and didnt give the pass. A few minutes later DMac had a similar option, draw and pass with BB setting up Telea for try. Not saying that he gets dropped, but setting up his outsides and passing is his Achilles heal. Needs to be better at it. Coaches need to work on him.
Rewatch it. DMac was covered and also in the way preventing the pass to Jordie.
He could have passed to either with the wide pass being the better. Itās his hesitation that creates the issue. Then he cuts in.
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
He had a fucking good game considering what he was given. Couple of hard carries, some good defence as well.
Right before he got substituted he had two men outside him in space and didnt give the pass. A few minutes later DMac had a similar option, draw and pass with BB setting up Telea for try. Not saying that he gets dropped, but setting up his outsides and passing is his Achilles heal. Needs to be better at it. Coaches need to work on him.
Rewatch it. DMac was covered and also in the way preventing the pass to Jordie.
He could have passed to either with the wide pass being the better. Itās his hesitation that creates the issue. Then he cuts in.
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Also look at how the Wallabies are playing under Schmidt. He has had way less time than Razor and the differences are obvious. I realise itās just Wales but I had hoped to see Razors blueprint but Iām just seeing a rehash of Fosters issues.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also look at how the Wallabies are playing under Schmidt. He has had way less time than Razor and the differences are obvious. I realise itās just Wales but I had hoped to see Razors blueprint but Iām just seeing a rehash of Fosters issues.
Get off it. Wales are WOEFUL.
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Currently we are going to lose more than win against SA, Ireland and France.
We aren't going to dominate in the forwards but can hold our own.
Our strength could well be Ratima- DMac - JB.
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Currently we are going to lose more than win against SA, Ireland and France.
We aren't going to dominate in the forwards but can hold our own.
Our strength could well be Ratima- DMac - JB.
We need a distributor at 13 and speed on both wings@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Currently we are going to lose more than win against SA, Ireland and France.
We aren't going to dominate in the forwards but can hold our own.
Our strength could well be Ratima- DMac - JB.
We need a distributor at 13 and speed on both wingsJust speed on one would be a good start
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not bad for 3 weeks together really.
Not really buying that. Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
But credit to Robertson for going back to last year's dual playmaker tactics to get the win.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
Yeah - apart from Taukei'aho, Retallick, Whitelock, Frizell, and Cane (and a few squaddies).
Can't think any of these guys would have made any difference - especially to our lineout!
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Clearly it is going to take longer than 3 weeks to clean the shit stains from the last 6 years off this AB team.
Hopefully they learn some lessons and go about fixing the problem areas asap.Christie should be nowhere near the ABs. Absolute handbrake.
It would also have been great to see Ioane getting the ball out wide in space with an 11 on his back. He is completely wasted at 13.
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I think the question needs to be raised of which players would've looked a lot better with Ratima starting the full game... And I'd say almost all of them. If forwards are getting stagnant ball then they're generally always going to struggle to generate go-forward. We'll see changes next week with the new opposition but I'd have loved to see one more game against England with, once again, a largely similar team - just with Ratima at halfback.
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We have no loose forward ball carrier, and England had two in Cunningham-Smith and Earls.
I'd bench Savea to cover 7 and 8 to be used as an impact player and start Sititi at 8
Papalii is an 80 minute player.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
Yeah - apart from Taukei'aho, Retallick, Whitelock, Frizell, and Cane (and a few squaddies).
Can't think any of these guys would have made any difference - especially to our lineout!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
Yeah - apart from Taukei'aho, Retallick, Whitelock, Frizell, and Cane (and a few squaddies).
Can't think any of these guys would have made any difference - especially to our lineout!
A lot of our forwards performances were as shit as tonight - some worse - even with those players.
Don't forget Ryan and co have had plenty of experience with the forwards selection tonight.
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@Machpants I think 3 is a little low. Taylor was one of, if not the best All Black on defence. Lineout was a shambles, but not solely to blame. Did give away that dumb penalty, but he carried well, so a real mixed game.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants I think 3 is a little low. Taylor was one of, if not the best All Black on defence. Lineout was a shambles, but not solely to blame. Did give away that dumb penalty, but he carried well, so a real mixed game.
Second half was a marked improvement in terms of effective involvements.
When calling, lifting and throwing simplified we looked good. Shades of Mealamu putting his hand to his ear but then missing the call and throw completely.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not bad for 3 weeks together really.
Not really buying that. Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
But credit to Robertson for going back to last year's dual playmaker tactics to get the win.
Our counter rucking was pretty good.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not bad for 3 weeks together really.
Not really buying that. Apart from the scrum, the forwards were shit and that's the same forwards coach and pretty much the same players as the RWC squad. In many ways we're going backwards.
But credit to Robertson for going back to last year's dual playmaker tactics to get the win.
Our counter rucking was pretty good.
Was excellent really
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We have no loose forward ball carrier, and England had two in Cunningham-Smith and Earls.
I'd bench Savea to cover 7 and 8 to be used as an impact player and start Sititi at 8
Papalii is an 80 minute player.
6??? - Blackadder or Vaii@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We have no loose forward ball carrier, and England had two in Cunningham-Smith and Earls.
I'd bench Savea to cover 7 and 8 to be used as an impact player and start Sititi at 8
Papalii is an 80 minute player.
6??? - Blackadder or VaiiPretty much agree. Opportunity to try out some new stuff to address some of the dross we saw tonight.
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@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Gutted, good first XV but our bench is weak and our accuracy is terrible when in good positions at the moment and itās cost us in both tests. We desperately need to find a tight head from somewhere.
All Blacks did what they do, scrum half change was critical, Barret was class. Opportunity missed but Iām looking forward to the November test.
England are a good team, first 60 they were the better team.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Gutted, good first XV but our bench is weak and our accuracy is terrible when in good positions at the moment and itās cost us in both tests. We desperately need to find a tight head from somewhere.
All Blacks did what they do, scrum half change was critical, Barret was class. Opportunity missed but Iām looking forward to the November test.
England are a good team, first 60 they were the better team.
Gunna say middle 40.
We were better for the the first 20, and the lady 20
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@Gunner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Hats off England, they were the better team for 80% of the game, they can play!
Taking my AB glasses off, it was one hell of a contest.
Some serious issues for the ABās to iron out though, obvious two being the lineout and the exit plays/kicks. Why do our kickers struggle to kick with any distance from inside our 22?
I seriously doubted how we were going to score any points when we were down by 4 and hadnāt been out of our own half for what seemed like a good 30-40 minutes.
I never wish an injury on anyone but the Ginger getting injured was the best thing to happen, it all changed from there. Ratimaās pass is sooo much crisper and faster. All of a sudden we were playing with a bit more space and freedom.
I donāt get the Telea hate on here. Heās not in vintage form, but his work rate is top notch, has the ability to beat defenders and he does some bloody good work cleaning up scrappy ball at the back and staying on his feet until he has support.
I feel we are missing someone up front who can break the line and get us some good go forward ball.
Great analysis. Have to agree with all of that.
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@MadGav said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Mattasaurus Iāve watched this forum get more and more cynical year on year.
We will never be as dominant as most expect us to be in this era of rugby.
Enjoy a bloody good win where we went to a plan B and it bloody worked
Fuck you, I want dominance
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@MadGav said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Mattasaurus Iāve watched this forum get more and more cynical year on year.
We will never be as dominant as most expect us to be in this era of rugby.
Enjoy a bloody good win where we went to a plan B and it bloody worked
Fuck you, I want dominance
I'll take wins
