All Blacks vs England 2
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Also you know the old saying correlation does not equal causation, but good you got your ex- Ta$man boy's back.
Coaches kept picking him, though - and it wasn't really a great mystery, why.
There's lots of mystery why, like with every player selected/not selected who is a contentious pick.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We were anything but calm in the first 60 minutes. It was an error-strewn performance up with the worst of the the Ireland series.
Our lineout was appalling, but other than that we were not "error strewn".
We didn't drop a lot of ball forward (including taking all the high kicks they put up). Our scrum was stable. We didn't give away heaps of penalties. We didn't miss heaps of tackles and they made almost no line breaks.
We took some wrong options, but no-one ever gets them all right. We didn't make many yards with the forwards, but that isn't an error.
Every test has errors because of the pressure they are under, but in the key areas of not dropping ball or dropping tackles we were much improved over the start of the last few years.
Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too.
Well yeah ...
Realistically Aura was built on the back winning matches by this margin.
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@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
What last shot at goal did Jordie take?
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Any one who is lauding frizzle needs to go back and watch the final. Finau was Kaino like compared to that limpest of efforts, 1 tackle, 1 miss, a couple of runs. Fucking pathetic.
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
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Don't make me go back and watch the last RWC! But I honestly don't remember Richie M having the greatest tournament, or being clearly the world best 10.
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Don't make me go back and watch the last RWC! But I honestly don't remember Richie M having the greatest tournament, or being clearly the world best 10.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
What last shot at goal did Jordie take?
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@nostrildamus You don't need to
Just take Dan's advice or look at World Rugby's team of the year.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
World Rugby's team of the year.
you mean DREAM team of the year. They probably were dreaming.
https://www.world.rugby/tournaments/awards/past-winners/2023
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@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
@Machpants Or Big Brodie who made 6 in 71 minutes.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
Exactly.
You play in the system. You tackle the guys who attack your part of the defensive line.
You don't run about like an idiot.
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@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
I'm not sure if you are on the wind up but is there a reason you keep talking about players that aren't currently eligible for the ABs and didn't even play Super this year in a match thread?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
I'm not sure if you are on the wind up but is there a reason you keep talking about players that aren't currently eligible for the ABs and didn't even play Super this year in a match thread?
@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of Fozzie's team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
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@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of Fozzie's team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
I was responding to someone's fluffing of him. We can't let fake news stand without rebuttal.
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I personally would distinguish between the pre and post Schmidt Ryan - Foster eras, very different coaching teams and results.
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The counter point to that is:
In the pack 4 of the tight 5 and 1 of the loosies was a starter last year, another was an ever-present in the 23.
The midfield is the same as last year, Telea was a starter. BB is a veteran.
Throw in Reece and Patty T and Vaai as guys who have been in the environment for ages and it's not like we're embarking on a clean slate era like Australia. There should be more cohesion than there was last night. -
@Machpants don't forget the needless yellow card
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants don't forget the needless yellow card
The YC where Kitsoff elbowed him in the head and then fell over onto the Springbok? That was the most innocuous piece of BS I've ever seen. If you're going to YC that, every ruck some bloke needs to go. It was ridiculous. The ABs were on notice within the first few minutes whilst the Springboks were elbowing their way to a thumping 1 point/1 man advantage win.
