All Blacks vs England 2
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Don't make me go back and watch the last RWC! But I honestly don't remember Richie M having the greatest tournament, or being clearly the world best 10.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@nostrildamus He's not the best goalkicker in the world. That's why Jordie took the last shot.
What last shot at goal did Jordie take?
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@nostrildamus You don't need to
Just take Dan's advice or look at World Rugby's team of the year.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
World Rugby's team of the year.
you mean DREAM team of the year. They probably were dreaming.
https://www.world.rugby/tournaments/awards/past-winners/2023
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@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
@Machpants Or Big Brodie who made 6 in 71 minutes.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
Jeez that's really stretching it, boks didn't score so it's ok for a loose forward to have 1 successful tackle. Note cane and Ardie, 8 or 9. Barrett 10, Taylor 11.
yeh i am a bit confused, ok does he mean with Cane taken off, that means Shannon doesn't need to try to cover the empty gap where Cane would have been?
Exactly.
You play in the system. You tackle the guys who attack your part of the defensive line.
You don't run about like an idiot.
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@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
I'm not sure if you are on the wind up but is there a reason you keep talking about players that aren't currently eligible for the ABs and didn't even play Super this year in a match thread?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants Shannon got dudded by a crap yellow card after two minutes - so he probably played pretty cautiously thereafter.
The Boks didn't score any tries so I'm not worried about his tackle stats. After all, what attacking they did was probably aimed around wher our openside flanker would have been standing.
I'm not sure if you are on the wind up but is there a reason you keep talking about players that aren't currently eligible for the ABs and didn't even play Super this year in a match thread?
@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of Fozzie's team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
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@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of Fozzie's team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@KiwiMurph Nepia started the conversion about Mo and Frizz.
The long list of players we've been shorn of is a rebuttal of those who somehow think we should instantly be better than the team that was the culmination of four years of team building - I'm certainly not on the wind-up about that.
As African Monkey says - it's crazy!
I was responding to someone's fluffing of him. We can't let fake news stand without rebuttal.
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I personally would distinguish between the pre and post Schmidt Ryan - Foster eras, very different coaching teams and results.
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The counter point to that is:
In the pack 4 of the tight 5 and 1 of the loosies was a starter last year, another was an ever-present in the 23.
The midfield is the same as last year, Telea was a starter. BB is a veteran.
Throw in Reece and Patty T and Vaai as guys who have been in the environment for ages and it's not like we're embarking on a clean slate era like Australia. There should be more cohesion than there was last night. -
@Machpants don't forget the needless yellow card
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants don't forget the needless yellow card
The YC where Kitsoff elbowed him in the head and then fell over onto the Springbok? That was the most innocuous piece of BS I've ever seen. If you're going to YC that, every ruck some bloke needs to go. It was ridiculous. The ABs were on notice within the first few minutes whilst the Springboks were elbowing their way to a thumping 1 point/1 man advantage win.
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I think we have enough now who can do a job for us without needing Mo'unga and Frizzell back. They were solid, but we have guys here who are just as good, if not better than Frizzell anyway. Like, I'd pick Mo'unga if he were available, but DMac looks very comfortable there anyway so I don't think we're missing much there.
Not gonna lie though, we could probably do with Whitelock.
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Jesus, the panic has firmly set in. As the dust settles, we've just put away a very good England side. Sure, they have a lot to improve on, but we're two tests in to the season. Whilst we struggled for i would say 60-65 mins per test, in 15 minutes we blasted them off the park and they just had zero answers. England had a slight advantage in possession but overwhelmingly the territory yet we still won by 7. We've now got 3 tests to build into South Africa and really hone in on the plan they want to implement. I still fully expect to lost both tests in SA and 2 of 4 on the EOYT which would hurt but we've got to give Razor a chance.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Why does Scott Barrett do that half-arsed chargedown attempt at every single oppo ruck box-clearance? I don't feel like he's got one since 1993 and it just leaves him late to the next phase
Because he puts 100% into everything. He is the Richie McCaw of this team. Huge motor.
Sorry bro, but thatās a dumb response. Donāt disagree that he gives 100%, but that doesnāt mean this particular play is sensible and worthwhile. Heād be better off only challenging where he can realistically influence the play - atm he doesnāt put any pressure on the kicker and is just wasting energy. If he dropped this, heād be able to give something like 104% in other areasā¦š¤Ŗ
@voodoo itās ok to disagree. Pressure can turn a kick into a poor kick, itās not just about charge downs. Itās why you hit rucks trying to move bodies. Sometimes you make a difference but itās all about the contest, building pressure. Scott does that better than anyone in the team. I wouldnāt want him to change.
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The counter point to that is:
In the pack 4 of the tight 5 and 1 of the loosies was a starter last year, another was an ever-present in the 23.
The midfield is the same as last year, Telea was a starter. BB is a veteran.
Throw in Reece and Patty T and Vaai as guys who have been in the environment for ages and it's not like we're embarking on a clean slate era like Australia. There should be more cohesion than there was last night.@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The counter point to that is:
In the pack 4 of the tight 5 and 1 of the loosies was a starter last year, another was an ever-present in the 23.
The midfield is the same as last year, Telea was a starter. BB is a veteran.
Throw in Reece and Patty T and Vaai as guys who have been in the environment for ages and it's not like we're embarking on a clean slate era like Australia. There should be more cohesion than there was last night.I'm afraid you are right, less quality is understandable, but should have been more cohesive.
