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    @Machpants
    Google is your friend.
    Or, in your case, possibly not.

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    @Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:

    @Machpants
    Google is your friend.
    Or, in your case, possibly not.

    That reeks sooo much of...
    "Do your own research.
    ... again...
    ... again...
    ... and again...
    ... until you find something which fits your desired result/thesis."

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      @Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:

      @Machpants
      Google is your friend.
      Or, in your case, possibly not.

      That reeks sooo much of...
      "Do your own research.
      ... again...
      ... again...
      ... and again...
      ... until you find something which fits your desired result/thesis."

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      @Kruse said in All Blacks vs England 2:

      @Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:

      @Machpants
      Google is your friend.
      Or, in your case, possibly not.

      That reeks sooo much of...
      "Do your own research.
      ... again...
      ... again...
      ... and again...
      ... until you find something which fits your desired result/thesis."

      Yeah my research shows it's actually dick length.

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        Not often I agree with Justin Marshall

        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/news/content/ar-BB1q05Ku?ocid=superappdhp&muid=E11225E938994AA089957C407C6C776F&adid=F4670411-6810-4BA4-8F4B-0A23272034F4&anid=&market=en-nz&cm=en-nz&activityId=66960408ef684b76bfa5d7b6950ea0c3&bridgeVersionInt=87&fontSize=sa_fontSize&isChinaBuild=false

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          Not often I agree with Justin Marshall

          https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/news/content/ar-BB1q05Ku?ocid=superappdhp&muid=E11225E938994AA089957C407C6C776F&adid=F4670411-6810-4BA4-8F4B-0A23272034F4&anid=&market=en-nz&cm=en-nz&activityId=66960408ef684b76bfa5d7b6950ea0c3&bridgeVersionInt=87&fontSize=sa_fontSize&isChinaBuild=false

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          @kev I don't think he needs to be issued an ultimatum. Think we just need to give it time to see if it does evolve (midfield).

          Of far more concern is the lineout... but that's led by 2 crusaders so probably don't need an ultimatum there 😉

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          • BonesB Bones

            @kev I don't think he needs to be issued an ultimatum. Think we just need to give it time to see if it does evolve (midfield).

            Of far more concern is the lineout... but that's led by 2 crusaders so probably don't need an ultimatum there 😉

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            @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

            The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

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            • K kev

              @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

              The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

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              @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

              @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

              The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

              How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

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                @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

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                @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

                If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.

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                • K kev

                  @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                  @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                  @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                  The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                  How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

                  If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.

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                  @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                  @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                  @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                  @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                  The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                  How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

                  If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.

                  Wait, wasn't that our problem with the old coaching team?

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                  • K kev

                    @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                    @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                    @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                    The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                    How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

                    If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.

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                    @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                    @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                    @kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                    @Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.

                    The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.

                    How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.

                    If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.

                    Why is it on him to adapt and not the coaching staff to devise a method of combating it?

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                      Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                      Also odd that there is talk that he isn't good at "adapting" to rush defense - guess it's lucky that we have all those other 13's who ARE adapted, along with all those 13's we used to roll out that also suitably adapted.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        @junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                        Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

                        If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

                        I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

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                        @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                        @junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                        Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

                        If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

                        I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

                        Well, they're not Ireland, that's for sure.

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                        • voodooV voodoo

                          Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                          Also odd that there is talk that he isn't good at "adapting" to rush defense - guess it's lucky that we have all those other 13's who ARE adapted, along with all those 13's we used to roll out that also suitably adapted.

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                          @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                          Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                          It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

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                            @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                            Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                            It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

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                            @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                            @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                            Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                            It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                            I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                            This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                            I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

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                              @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                              @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                              Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                              It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                              I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                              This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                              I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

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                              @voodoo oh you're talking about the article! Yeah I already commented on that bit.

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                                @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                                It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                                I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                                This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                                I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

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                                @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                                It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                                I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                                This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                                I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

                                Mashall saw the same as I did. Agree that maybe he should have given examples more fully (time and situation).

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                                • WingerW Winger

                                  @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                                  It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                                  I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                                  This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                                  I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

                                  Mashall saw the same as I did. Agree that maybe he should have given examples more fully (time and situation).

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                                  @Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  @voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                  Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.

                                  It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.

                                  I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example

                                  This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!

                                  I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"

                                  Mashall saw the same as I did. Agree that maybe he should have given examples more fully (time and situation).

                                  I’d argue that he is paid for his opinions and sound bites. If you want research then pay him more 😀

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                                      Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
                                      Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.

                                      However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).

                                      Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?

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                                        Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
                                        Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.

                                        However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).

                                        Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?

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                                        @Lancaster-Park Finau's not bad in the lineout, we just chose to throw it to... Savea...?
                                        Hoskins is a good lineout forward, though mentioning him is likely to get the Blues guys all frothy again.

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                                          Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
                                          Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.

                                          However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).

                                          Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?

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                                          @Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs England 2:

                                          Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
                                          Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.

                                          However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).

                                          Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?

                                          Settle down

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