All Blacks vs England 2

[Catogrande]

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

Agreed.

Start Ratima and Proctor on the bench

That ginger 9 was a handbrake on your attack. I’m not sold on Perenera but the snackhead is a good few steps below. The improvement when the sub came on was obvious.

[nostrildamus]

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

Agreed.

Start Ratima and Proctor on the bench

That ginger 9 was a handbrake on your attack. I’m not sold on Perenera but the snackhead is a good few steps below. The improvement when the sub came on was obvious.

wil you lend us your 9 then? Much appreciated, old chap!

[Winger]

So far Ive watched the first 50 minutes

Perofeta has been poor
Wings only adequate. Overall the back three needs at least 2 but I would prefer changes to all three
Reiko isn't a centre. Time to move on
Christie is only adequate

Taylor is having a poor game

Lineout is shit

[MN5]

@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

So far Ive watched the first 50 minutes

Perofeta has been poor
Wings only adequate. Overall the back three needs at least 2 but I would prefer changes to all three
Reiko isn't a centre. Time to move on
Christie is only adequate

Taylor is having a poor game

Lineout is shit

Shit, hopefully Beauden Barrett makes a big impact or we’ll be screwed.

[Winger]

@MN5 said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

So far Ive watched the first 50 minutes

Perofeta has been poor
Wings only adequate. Overall the back three needs at least 2 but I would prefer changes to all three
Reiko isn't a centre. Time to move on
Christie is only adequate

Taylor is having a poor game

Lineout is shit

Shit, hopefully Beauden Barrett makes a big impact or we’ll be screwed.

Having replacements come on for Reiko, Perofeta and Christie made the difference

This backline was poorly selected. Reiko if he starts should be on the wing along with Clarke. Barrett is a good sub but who else is there for FB unless they bring Love in. Perofeta isn't the answer at FB

Either ALB or Proctor at centre (both can pass). Ratima starts at HB and find another no 2 if Perenara is still injured.

Taylor had a poor game. Coaches need to take him off earlier and give Aumua more game time when this occurs

[BerniesCorner]

@Winger I'd prefer Reiko on the wing

[BerniesCorner]

We've kinda got a bomb squad now

[junior]

@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Biggest concern is our inability to control half way. Our exits and ability to get into the opposition half has been a weakness for all ABs teams of recent years.

It baffles me that this remains the case when we have a 10 and 12 who both have cannons for their right legs. It's less about execution than it is about option taking.

[junior]

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.

The calls constantly come from people who have no idea how a centre should play. Dollars to donuts if he'd taken other options every time they complained they'd bitch about the predictable outcome too. Case in point when he made the good decision to hold the ball rather than shovel it to marked players in worse positions.

I thought his defence was outstanding.

Great, the modern day Justin Marshall. Pity the rest of the team has the skill to burn other teams when we can play with pace. If defence is what we want in that position, get another loose forward on.

At least Marshy had a running game...

[junior]

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

[Bones]

@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

[Catogrande]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

A long way ahead to be making predictions. Ever thought of writing for Ruck.com?

[Bones]

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

A long way ahead to be making predictions. Ever thought of writing for Ruck.com?

Why, you hiring?

[Catogrande]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

A long way ahead to be making predictions. Ever thought of writing for Ruck.com?

Why, you hiring?

Usual terms. You write whatever shit you want, we don’t fact check and you get 50% of the per hit take. We get the ad revenue. Seem fair?

[Bones]

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.

If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.

I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.

A long way ahead to be making predictions. Ever thought of writing for Ruck.com?

Why, you hiring?

Usual terms. You write whatever shit you want, we don’t fact check and you get 50% of the per hit take. We get the ad revenue. Seem fair?

My first article will be on the definition of prediction.

[Catogrande]

@Bones

I’m predicting it’ll be the same as your last…

[Chester Draws]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

That's an interesting take considering at one stage the handling errors were England 4, NZ 9 (just before NZ made another handling error). Think it was even before halftime?

You can't quote such statistics out of context. If we knock the ball on while trying a miracle play under advantage, I really don't care that it is an "error" to the bean counters.

We lost a lot of balls forward while trying to steal their ball at lineouts or rucks. Sure, those are "handling errors" because they result in scrums etc, but since we weren't winning the ball otherwise they are of no concern.

You watched the game, presumably. How many balls did we shell forward where we had possession and which resulted in an actual turnover? Because I don't recall it being many.

[Bones]

@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

That's an interesting take considering at one stage the handling errors were England 4, NZ 9 (just before NZ made another handling error). Think it was even before halftime?

You can't quote such statistics out of context. If we knock the ball on while trying a miracle play under advantage, I really don't care that it is an "error" to the bean counters.

We lost a lot of balls forward while trying to steal their ball at lineouts or rucks. Sure, those are "handling errors" because they result in scrums etc, but since we weren't winning the ball otherwise they are of no concern.

You watched the game, presumably. How many balls did we shell forward where we had possession and which resulted in an actual turnover? Because I don't recall it being many.

I'm going to go with somewhere around at least 9+.

But nah didn't watch the game mate, you got me.

I just decided that statistics that don't suit my argument aren't valid, that's it.

[dogmeat]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Phew, I think I care more about Eden Park record than world cups. I was there for the try from the end of the world.

It’s funny , my first two test matches live were both losses at eden park ,

One to the Aussies and one to the frogs in the 70s

Wow AB's have only ever lost 13 games at EP and two of them were your first tests.

Cornelsens Test (worst defeat) and the Bastille Day loss.

We've only lost twice since that July in 79

First 20 of the second half on Saturday and I thought we were going to again.

[nzzp]

@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:

I just decided that statistics that don't suit my argument aren't valid, that's it.

he's right though. It's like missed tackles - if you get out, make effort and push the runner into another defender, you may get a 'missed tackle' but it stopped a line break. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Fair play to @Chester-Draws - he set out his thinking. Our handling seemed generally pretty good (from what I remember)