All Blacks 2024
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On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
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On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
I’ve got no hate for him but with alb in sharp form , I don’t see why he is needed ,
If we didn’t have alb , then I would get it more
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On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.
Have depth in the front row and hooker.
Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
Ratima has added depth at HB.
BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
Wings we have in abundance
Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at
but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
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On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
Agree.
There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.
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They should pick Sotutu not because he's Pom eligible, but because he's more than good enough, and because he doesn't play exactly the same as Cane, Dalton and Jacobson. Adding Cane without dropping Jacobson would be dumb, and I don't know why you would choose Cane over Jacobson - he may be a hell of a guy but he's 5 years older, injury-plagued and close to retirement.
The balance problem is vs big packs we have a small 8 so need a big 6, and we only have Finau. Playing any 2 of Cane/Jacobson/Dalton/Blackadder with Savea is a small loose trio, and (particularly if not Blackadder) it's a loose trio that lacks ball runners, when we have a front row that lacks ball runners too. Maybe Hoskins is a chance due to Finau not lighting it up, but unfortunately I doubt it.
How long since Lord played?
Havili would be a poor selection. Not because he's a bad player but because we already have ample injury cover in our side, meaning his utility value is severely diminished. He also plays 12 nothing like JB plays 12, so he's not a like-for-like injury replacement to keep the team pattern.
Plummer would be a good idea because every side is going to target McKenzie, as he is both our most creative player and small. And if we lose him, we're in big trouble. That was the case before the initial selections too though, so they probably won't. -
Anyone know when the Rugby Championship squad is announced?
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On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.
Have depth in the front row and hooker.
Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
Ratima has added depth at HB.
BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
Wings we have in abundance
Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at
but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
Or England in England. We have to get a lot better by the time we get over there or they'll grind us out at home. They'll be fresh, and we will be coming to the end of a long season.
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Anyone know when the Rugby Championship squad is announced?
@Canes4life This coming Saturday I believe
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
On Havili, in my opinion he shouldn’t be anywhere near being added to this Rugby Championship squad. If we are going off form like the coaches have preached, Havili is no where near it. Add in the fact he will be 32 come 2027 World Cup, makes you wonder if you should just let that ship sail now.
I have nothing against the guy, he’s a good player but has peaked and Super Rugby is his level. I think we could do better with an eye on that spot going to someone who will be a good shot at the next World Cup. Thats just my opinion anyway.
Agree.
There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.
I don't believe Plummer is a chance unless the coaches believe that BB and Perofeta are not options at 1st 5.
As to Sotutu, it's hard to see any no.8, and a specialist in his case, getting much time on the field with Savea nailed on in that position. That also includes Sititi.
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Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.
Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.
Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.
Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.
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Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.
Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.
Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.
Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.
On a potential Ardie injury, that’s the benefit of Jacobson as a squaddie - he could do a last minute job pretty well at 8 in that situation.
I would still have Sotutu (and Akira) in my squad, but that’s a different conversation.
I don’t think Cane will get selected. It makes no sense unless he is their no 1 seven, and if that is the case, someone should get dropped. If it is Jacobson, we lose 8 cover, so it should be EB or Sititi (who is great, but is he ready for the situation above? I’m not sure and would like them to develop him more carefully).
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.
I don't believe Plummer is a chance unless the coaches believe that BB and Perofeta are not options at 1st 5.
As to Sotutu, it's hard to see any no.8, and a specialist in his case, getting much time on the field with Savea nailed on in that position. That also includes Sititi.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
There are not many options out there that are like DH if they are looking for that type of player, but there is one that stands out - Plummer.
I don't believe Plummer is a chance unless the coaches believe that BB and Perofeta are not options at 1st 5.
I don't believe BB or SP are decent options at 10.
I'd speculate the thinking is that while McKenzie is integral, someone like Plummer doesn't play anything like him and is inexperienced, so BB - despite his severe limitations, is not that much worse as a back-up - so we gamble. -
On a potential Ardie injury, that’s the benefit of Jacobson as a squaddie - he could do a last minute job pretty well at 8 in that situation.
I would still have Sotutu (and Akira) in my squad, but that’s a different conversation.
I don’t think Cane will get selected. It makes no sense unless he is their no 1 seven, and if that is the case, someone should get dropped. If it is Jacobson, we lose 8 cover, so it should be EB or Sititi (who is great, but is he ready for the situation above? I’m not sure and would like them to develop him more carefully).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
On a potential Ardie injury, that’s the benefit of Jacobson as a squaddie - he could do a last minute job pretty well at 8 in that situation.
I would still have Sotutu (and Akira) in my squad, but that’s a different conversation.
I don’t think Cane will get selected. It makes no sense unless he is their no 1 seven, and if that is the case, someone should get dropped. If it is Jacobson, we lose 8 cover, so it should be EB or Sititi (who is great, but is he ready for the situation above? I’m not sure and would like them to develop him more carefully).
Jacobson is the Havili of the loose trio. Good player, but not going to dominate at test level, good versatility (that we don't need).
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Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.
Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.
Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.
Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there.
They didn't name them in the initial 32 (+4 injury cover) for England/Fiji so I can't see them suddenly pivoting for the 36 man TRC squad
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Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.
Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.
Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.
Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Adding Jordan is a no brainer. But the rest of the rumours make far less sense.
Why add DH? A known and substandard quality who would only see game time in a calamity. So why not find a spot you think we are a touch thin and add a young fulla to evaluate in training as they learn the systems.
Same thing in the forwards. I get the Sam Cane farewell tour even if i don't really agree with it. But where are we thin? Big 6s, and locks. So add 3 of those and see what you can build there. Alternatively, if Savea busts his achilles on the Monday before Boks away, are you happy with your squad replacements at #8? if not, then get someone else in there.
Padding the squad with known quantities who won't get near the field is a waste of payroll.
Yeah - I don't really see a need for another midfielder right now.
3 halfbacks, 4 midfielders, 4 wings, 2 fullbacks - and maybe 3 first fives. Big question in my mind is whether they see McKenzie, Barrett and Perofeta as their three best first fives - if they don't then now's the time to pick the third guy (probably Plummer).
If they're happy with their first fives then I'd rather see them pick another tall 6 - or maybe even five locks.
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On the Sam Cane farewell tour - it's possible they think he's still our best openside. If that's the case, they should definitely pick him - winning now is the top priority.
If he's not - it's kind of a marginal selection to trundle him towards 100 tests. They'd be better off picking and developing a young guy. But, I've not been marinated in the AB culture.
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On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.
Have depth in the front row and hooker.
Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
Ratima has added depth at HB.
BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
Wings we have in abundance
Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at
but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.
Have depth in the front row and hooker.
Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
Ratima has added depth at HB.
BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
Wings we have in abundance
Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at
but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
I think the locks are still very much a concern. We got about 40 minutes of quality out of Tuipulotu but he faded in the first Test and was pretty poor in the second. We didn't really see much of Vaa'i (though he looked good in the second Test). Darry was strong off the bench against Fiji but obviously that's a lower standard with the match already sewn up.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024:
On the plus side we appear to be developing in all area's aside form the loose forwards.
Have depth in the front row and hooker.
Locks which were a concern have been bolstered by Patty T (especially with his running) and Vaai has had good impact.
Ratima has added depth at HB.
BB and DMac look like quite a good dual playmaker option.
ALB and Proctor adding depth in the midfield.
Wings we have in abundance
Perofeta has played well at FB (above my expectations honestly).Only real concern is the loose forward trio, Finau has been underwhelming and appears to emulate Reubean Thorne, plays a lot of minutes but you never see him doing anything, Papps has been great on defence but limited on attack. Savea has been Savea and Sititi of course has added impact (both positives but both are playing at
but as a trio it just can't seem to fire. Blackadder looked terribly off the pace, grasping tackles as he was a step or two out of position and Jacobsen seemed to beat him to the ruck continually. I really wish Lakai had been given the oppertunty instead.Depth-wise I'm feeling more optimistic, game-plan wise not so sure. Exits, being outsmarted and out performed in the tactical kicking game and lack of go forward ball in the forwards have been key weaknesses for years and don't show much signs of improvement.
It feels like were doing ok, and then well hit into a brick wall like SA or Ireland and it will all come crashing down.
I think the locks are still very much a concern. We got about 40 minutes of quality out of Tuipulotu but he faded in the first Test and was pretty poor in the second. We didn't really see much of Vaa'i (though he looked good in the second Test). Darry was strong off the bench against Fiji but obviously that's a lower standard with the match already sewn up.
@Mr-Fish I agree if you are saying it’s a concern this year but I feel next year we will be in a much better place with locks.
Darry will be more experienced and hopefully continues to progress, Josh Lord(not that I like to bank on his health), when healthy is a player so here’s hoping he can remain healthy. Same could be said for Vai’i, hopefully he continues to progress. Fabian Holland is an absolute freak and would have been an All Black this season is he was eligible(he’s available next season), can’t wait to see him in the environment.
On a side note, I know for a fact that Razor and Jason Ryan are huge Zach Gallagher fans. If he can stay healthy and have a big season with the Canes, don’t be surprised if he’s around the environment also.
SB and PT are the 2 locks to be there, the rest will be great to see how it plays out, it’s not great right now but there’s talent there and could well be a position of strength come World Cup time.
