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  • D DaGrubster

    @canefan

    Can’t think what you have been a broken record about!! 😉

    I was one of the original broken records shouting ‘suitcase out’ on this forum !

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    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:

    @canefan

    Can’t think what you have been a broken record about!! 😉

    I was one of the original broken records shouting ‘suitcase out’ on this forum !

    I was just trying to make the boy feel comfortable..... 😉

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    • canefanC canefan

      @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:

      Don’t understand Cane’s selection

      Yeah. So they'd rather give an outgoing player a swansong RC instead of bringing Hoskins in to see if they can work with him to get him up to speed for the future

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      @canefan

      Honestly, I think a deal has been done to get him off the books.

      “My client can to Japan, saving the NZR a lot of money for early release.

      All we ask is that you get him to 100 test caps”

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      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

        @pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:

        People getting their knickers in a twist over Havili being the 5th choice midfielder is also hilarious. We are scraping the barrel there so going back to Havili is understandable.

        Could see the logic in Havili when we were cursed by injuries, but that's not the case now. Robertson's picked an inexperienced Hotham and Darry so is clearly looking to build, and could have done the same in midfield.

        Maybe Robertson, like Foster, sees something in Havili we ain't.

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        @Victor-Meldrew

        I see a lot of intercepts and missed tackles 🤦‍♂️

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        • D DaGrubster

          @canefan

          Honestly, I think a deal has been done to get him off the books.

          “My client can to Japan, saving the NZR a lot of money for early release.

          All we ask is that you get him to 100 test caps”

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          @DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:

          @canefan

          Honestly, I think a deal has been done to get him off the books.

          “My client can to Japan, saving the NZR a lot of money for early release.

          All we ask is that you get him to 100 test caps”

          Sorry Sam... 🟥

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            People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
            Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.

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            • O Old Samurai Jack

              People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
              Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.

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              @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

              People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
              Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.

              I'm happy to be corrected by DH. But my overriding memory of the AB midfield with DH in it was a lack of physicality

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                Pretty funny to talk about blinders.

                All Blacks should be picked on form, not as development squad for the Crusaders.

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                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  Well not many players invest their own $$ to go and do a training camp over in Aus while most other players are on holiday in their off-season. Love literally hasn’t stopped training since the end of Super rugby last year.

                  A bunch of other players were playing Test rugby after Super season finished...

                  After the NPC, the Christmas break, whatever you want to call it. When most players are boozing it up at the likes of RNV in Gizzy, Love was over in Aussie training the house down. That’s sometimes the difference between making it and not.

                  He also deserves to be there over Perofeta who wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for McDonald’s love affair with him. Just like Christie, he’ll get pushed out eventually.

                  …..and also pissing round playing meaningless cricket games but don’t let that get in the way of your fluffing

                  https://www.tiktok.com/@legendofmartybanks/video/7326323433741028616?lang=en

                  Mate I think you have the brains to know what I’m talking about. But yeah if you want to be a troll go ahead.

                  Maybe do a bit more digging and you’ll figure it out so I don’t have to keep spelling it out for you.

                  It was a terrific catch but his time would have been better spent doing extra training

                  Forget about his Super form, did you not hear Razor say earlier they based his selection purely on that catch? I’d say Love made the right choice to participate that day.

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                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  Well not many players invest their own $$ to go and do a training camp over in Aus while most other players are on holiday in their off-season. Love literally hasn’t stopped training since the end of Super rugby last year.

                  A bunch of other players were playing Test rugby after Super season finished...

                  After the NPC, the Christmas break, whatever you want to call it. When most players are boozing it up at the likes of RNV in Gizzy, Love was over in Aussie training the house down. That’s sometimes the difference between making it and not.

                  He also deserves to be there over Perofeta who wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for McDonald’s love affair with him. Just like Christie, he’ll get pushed out eventually.

                  …..and also pissing round playing meaningless cricket games but don’t let that get in the way of your fluffing

                  https://www.tiktok.com/@legendofmartybanks/video/7326323433741028616?lang=en

                  Mate I think you have the brains to know what I’m talking about. But yeah if you want to be a troll go ahead.

                  Maybe do a bit more digging and you’ll figure it out so I don’t have to keep spelling it out for you.

                  It was a terrific catch but his time would have been better spent doing extra training

                  Forget about his Super form, did you not hear Razor say earlier they based his selection purely on that catch? I’d say Love made the right choice to participate that day.

                  Perofeta wouldn’t have taken that catch that’s for sure

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                  • canefanC canefan

                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

                    People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
                    Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.

                    I'm happy to be corrected by DH. But my overriding memory of the AB midfield with DH in it was a lack of physicality

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                    @canefan said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:

                    People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass. For some reason, the headless chook games of the previous group seem to have stuck on Havilli more so than anyone else. The same people crying for Sotutu and Akira lambast Havilli yet they also were part of those performances.
                    Wouldn't have Cane or Havilli myself but take the blinders off.

                    I'm happy to be corrected by DH. But my overriding memory of the AB midfield with DH in it was a lack of physicality

                    Mine too. Wrong gameplan, wrong player.

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                    • KirwanK Kirwan

                      Pretty funny to talk about blinders.

                      All Blacks should be picked on form, not as development squad for the Crusaders.

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                      @Kirwan are you actually John Kirwan. Cause he’s a whinging Auckland prick too. Get over it mate.

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                      • pukunuiP pukunui

                        @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.

                        Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?

                        There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this

                        That could be asking the impossible

                        Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.

                        So Ardie over Scott as captain
                        RR in preference to Bell
                        Plummer in preference to Havili
                        And not Blackadder

                        Thats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025

                        Some of the tantrums and throwing toys out of the cot on here over the last month or so has been pretty impressive but it is getting a bit unhinged now.

                        I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.

                        Scott Barrett over Ardie was always going to be the safe bet. IMO their individual performances in the first couple of games and Ardie signing for MP and planning to the another sabbatical proves this decision was probably a good one.

                        RR is a journeyman who is only just Super rugby standard. If Sami T didn’t hurt himself, Bell would have been nowhere near the team.

                        People getting their knickers in a twist over Havili being the 5th choice midfielder is also hilarious. We are scraping the barrel there so going back to Havili is understandable. Lam having only played a handful of games at 12 was never going to be a serious option. Hopefully next year he is.
                        I probably would have selected Plummer in the place of Perofeta (who has done fuck all even at super or test level) and had Love in the original squad to cover 15 in place of Narawa. Like they have now.

                        Blackadder has been covered. Multiple previous coaching groups have rated him (and Frizzel) over Akira and Sotutu. Neither of then really offered what we are missing in their test appearances anyway. If they had, they would be there. That’s just the way it is. Get over it. Like midfield there isn’t much proven talent left behind. Unless you want to give Grace another shot, but the meltdown and screams of bias would be deafening.

                        Now on the squad selection overall.
                        Really happy to see Christie given the boot. Don’t really have a view on Hotham. The Blues dropping Funaki for Christie when he came back probably killed his chances. Fakatava has dropped right away from where he was.
                        They are just keeping Roigard’s spot warm anyway.

                        Still concerned about our lock selections. Especially with Barrett out of the first games.
                        Really don’t understand why they aren’t bringing an extra guy in full time. Whoever it is.

                        Also don’t really get the Cane selection. He doesn’t add anything that we don’t already have multiple layers of in the other 6.5s.
                        Going to be very interesting to see how the selection of the loosies evolves over to RC.
                        Really hoping Finau can gain some confidence.

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                        @pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.

                        Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?

                        There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this

                        That could be asking the impossible

                        Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.

                        So Ardie over Scott as captain
                        RR in preference to Bell
                        Plummer in preference to Havili
                        And not Blackadder

                        Thats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025

                        I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.

                        I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.

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                          One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.

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                          • MN5M MN5

                            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                            Well not many players invest their own $$ to go and do a training camp over in Aus while most other players are on holiday in their off-season. Love literally hasn’t stopped training since the end of Super rugby last year.

                            A bunch of other players were playing Test rugby after Super season finished...

                            After the NPC, the Christmas break, whatever you want to call it. When most players are boozing it up at the likes of RNV in Gizzy, Love was over in Aussie training the house down. That’s sometimes the difference between making it and not.

                            He also deserves to be there over Perofeta who wouldn’t even be there if it wasn’t for McDonald’s love affair with him. Just like Christie, he’ll get pushed out eventually.

                            …..and also pissing round playing meaningless cricket games but don’t let that get in the way of your fluffing

                            https://www.tiktok.com/@legendofmartybanks/video/7326323433741028616?lang=en

                            Mate I think you have the brains to know what I’m talking about. But yeah if you want to be a troll go ahead.

                            Maybe do a bit more digging and you’ll figure it out so I don’t have to keep spelling it out for you.

                            It was a terrific catch but his time would have been better spent doing extra training

                            Forget about his Super form, did you not hear Razor say earlier they based his selection purely on that catch? I’d say Love made the right choice to participate that day.

                            Perofeta wouldn’t have taken that catch that’s for sure

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                            @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            Perofeta wouldn’t have taken that catch that’s for sure

                            Or Tele'a. On current form.

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                              I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                              As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

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                              • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                                As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

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                                @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:

                                I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                                As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

                                Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.

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                                • NepiaN Nepia

                                  @pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.

                                  Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?

                                  There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this

                                  That could be asking the impossible

                                  Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.

                                  So Ardie over Scott as captain
                                  RR in preference to Bell
                                  Plummer in preference to Havili
                                  And not Blackadder

                                  Thats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025

                                  I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.

                                  I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.

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                                  @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @pukunui said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.

                                  Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?

                                  There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this

                                  That could be asking the impossible

                                  Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.

                                  So Ardie over Scott as captain
                                  RR in preference to Bell
                                  Plummer in preference to Havili
                                  And not Blackadder

                                  Thats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025

                                  I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.

                                  I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.

                                  Definitely keeping me happy. And the majority of rugby punters across the country. I'd imagine. The criticism of his play is like pushing shit uphill for certain ferners. They keep doing it though. They'll die on that hill.

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                                  • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                    I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                                    As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

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                                    @Billy-Tell

                                    I love this post.

                                    Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.

                                    Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.

                                    And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.

                                    Chef’s kiss ferning.

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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                                      As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

                                      Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.

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                                      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.

                                      As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.

                                      Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.

                                      Agreed and needs to be given another go.

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        @MN5 We could have won two more Rugby World Cups if we had more pace and power in the backrow in 1999 and 2003, but instead we went with the worthy journeyman. Just dumb.

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                                        @sparky I still wonder how Isitolo Maka would have gone at the 99 WC.

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                                        • gt12G gt12

                                          @Billy-Tell

                                          I love this post.

                                          Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.

                                          Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.

                                          And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.

                                          Chef’s kiss ferning.

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                                          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Billy-Tell

                                          I love this post.

                                          Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.

                                          Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.

                                          And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.

                                          Chef’s kiss ferning.

                                          Nut meet shell.

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