All Blacks 2024
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
Certain people get agitated when I voice my opinions (they are just words) on these matters, so I should stop there.
No need to feel special fulla.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
The lack of physicality thing is a bit of a myth too
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To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
Kinda, but not really. We need one for the bench at most, not both of them, and ALB has a far better record.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
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A change of style for their halfbacks (i.e., more of a running threat) is why Christie wasn't selected.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
@JayCee said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
he seems to have really improved his defensive efforts ,
I can remember at some point when he first came in , thinking it was a potential weakness ( maybe around the lions tour ? )
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@Bovidae have to assume Christie was told of the desire to run more and wasn't able to do what they needed from him?
@taniwharugby The articles says Christie has been sent back to Ta$man with some work-ons.
“We’ve told Fin to go back to Ta$man and continue to work on his game, have high energy and be instinctive around his attacking game. We’ve given him some work-ons,
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The problem for Finlay is he's never been much of a sniper - I find it hard to believe that he will be able to develop that aspect of his game enough to overtake those in front of him.
By comparison Hansen's comments about Hotham's running game were illustrative
“He was close to the team to start with … with the point of difference around his running game. He’s not a halfback you need to tell ‘run’ … he finds it through instinct. They’re the uncoachable bits in his game. Against Fiji you saw he changed our point of attack, and what that looked like – will we attack differently due to that? -
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
ALB can play anywhere he wants after that quarter final performance....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GoNvgJS61XxGo9LP/?mibextid=xCPwDs
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry.Yeah.
Hansen had run out of ideas by then. He had no answer to the rush defence.
Then they replaced him with someone who had probably even less!
The rush defence - stopping the high tempo, high skill style that gives us the edge over everyone else.
We have been forced into the NH style.
Starting to get better at that, but hopefully Robertson will come up with something.
Open the game planning right up if he can. -
The problem for Finlay is he's never been much of a sniper - I find it hard to believe that he will be able to develop that aspect of his game enough to overtake those in front of him.
By comparison Hansen's comments about Hotham's running game were illustrative
“He was close to the team to start with … with the point of difference around his running game. He’s not a halfback you need to tell ‘run’ … he finds it through instinct. They’re the uncoachable bits in his game. Against Fiji you saw he changed our point of attack, and what that looked like – will we attack differently due to that?@KiwiMurph particularly as it is often instinctive, that said, Christie seems to have great instincts on defence and seems to be able to read that aspect of the game, whether he can do that going forward is another matter.
I think the Blues 2022 (year immediately after he made the AB's) he was very good, seemed both sides of his game had improved, but regressed on attack.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Are we ever going to get an injury update on Samisoni Taukei’aho?
Word is he was seen in a moon boot as he had surgery on his Achilles so likely out for months.
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It's a little strange to hear we want sniping halfbacks after selecting TJ and Christie initially.
Christie is a defensive halfback.
TJ is a defensive halfback who is also a good support runner.
Fakatava is a running halfback. Ratima too, if slightly less so, and I haven't seen enough of Hotham to comment.
If that's what we wanted, why pick the two experienced guys?
I understand Roigard is considered #1, and picking one experienced halfback with him out is fine - but why pick two experienced guys who don't play the style you want? Problem solved anyway I suppose, though it's TJ I would have dropped personally. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Are we ever going to get an injury update on Samisoni Taukei’aho?
Word is he was seen in a moon boot as he had surgery on his Achilles so likely out for months.
@1kiwi said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Are we ever going to get an injury update on Samisoni Taukei’aho?
Word is he was seen in a moon boot as he had surgery on his Achilles so likely out for months.
You usually fear the worst when there is no news.
