All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
this is a weird hill to die on
are there good hills to die on that you can recommend?
Tana should have started the 2003 RWC semi
DC should have been subbed on at half time in that game to try and create a bit of chaos.
At 7-13 it was still anyone's game.
We were cooked , All we did was tackle in 35 degree heat .
I’m not sure if it’s the nz mentality but we always think a back can save the day ,
Our forwards got raped , that’s where we lost the game
That intercept to spud face didn't help either....
Or the disallowed try to Mils....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
this is a weird hill to die on
are there good hills to die on that you can recommend?
Tana should have started the 2003 RWC semi
DC should have been subbed on at half time in that game to try and create a bit of chaos.
At 7-13 it was still anyone's game.
We were cooked , All we did was tackle in 35 degree heat .
I’m not sure if it’s the nz mentality but we always think a back can save the day ,
Our forwards got raped , that’s where we lost the game
That intercept to spud face didn't help either....
Or the disallowed try to Mils....
Let's have a scab scratching session...
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Why, when they were absolutely outstanding in the business end of the Super Rugby season and they look like the type of players who would thrive in Test Rugby, weren't Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu named in the All Blacks squad for this year?
Those are looking like two enormous errors.
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Why, when they were absolutely outstanding in the business end of the Super Rugby season and they look like the type of players who would thrive in Test Rugby, weren't Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu named in the All Blacks squad for this year?
Those are looking like two enormous errors.
@sparky Cantabs don't like Blues players.
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Why, when they were absolutely outstanding in the business end of the Super Rugby season and they look like the type of players who would thrive in Test Rugby, weren't Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu named in the All Blacks squad for this year?
Those are looking like two enormous errors.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
Why, when they were absolutely outstanding in the business end of the Super Rugby season and they look like the type of players who would thrive in Test Rugby, weren't Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu named in the All Blacks squad for this year?
Those are looking like two enormous errors.
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I think it is fair to ask if Akira or Hoskins would be playing as bad as who is there now. Not sure who in particular has played best at 6, LJ perhaps? Finau in lineouts? Ardie can still make big plays but how is he tracking around the park?
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I think it is fair to ask if Akira or Hoskins would be playing as bad as who is there now. Not sure who in particular has played best at 6, LJ perhaps? Finau in lineouts? Ardie can still make big plays but how is he tracking around the park?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
I think it is fair to ask if Akira or Hoskins would be playing as bad as who is there now. Not sure who in particular has played best at 6, LJ perhaps? Finau in lineouts? Ardie can still make big plays but how is he tracking around the park?
When is Frizell due back ? He’s probably due a huge game in the middle of next season
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This is mainly forward focused, but you could do the same exercise with the blouses.
How many current AB forwards would make a World XV?
Go a step further, how many would make a 2nd XV? Maybe Lomax? Savea if it's picked by guys who have never played, get their rugby from YouTube, and think it's 2 years ago?Our pack has been outplayed in all 3 serious tests played this year. Ryan can act the smart ass all he wants, but he's clearly not doing his job, or he is and we are deluded about the quality we actually have to offer.
What guys in our pack do you reckon major opposition coaches lose a little bit of sleep over? God I just want one dominant forward who puts the shits up the opposition.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
I think it is fair to ask if Akira or Hoskins would be playing as bad as who is there now. Not sure who in particular has played best at 6, LJ perhaps? Finau in lineouts? Ardie can still make big plays but how is he tracking around the park?
When is Frizell due back ? He’s probably due a huge game in the middle of next season
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
I think it is fair to ask if Akira or Hoskins would be playing as bad as who is there now. Not sure who in particular has played best at 6, LJ perhaps? Finau in lineouts? Ardie can still make big plays but how is he tracking around the park?
When is Frizell due back ? He’s probably due a huge game in the middle of next season
Good question. It might at least make Ryan look happy with a choice between 2 South Islanders.
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This is mainly forward focused, but you could do the same exercise with the blouses.
How many current AB forwards would make a World XV?
Go a step further, how many would make a 2nd XV? Maybe Lomax? Savea if it's picked by guys who have never played, get their rugby from YouTube, and think it's 2 years ago?Our pack has been outplayed in all 3 serious tests played this year. Ryan can act the smart ass all he wants, but he's clearly not doing his job, or he is and we are deluded about the quality we actually have to offer.
What guys in our pack do you reckon major opposition coaches lose a little bit of sleep over? God I just want one dominant forward who puts the shits up the opposition.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
What guys in our pack do you reckon major opposition coaches lose a little bit of sleep over? God I just want one dominant forward who puts the shits up the opposition.
Not sure there is anyone fitting that description who hasn't been selected.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
What guys in our pack do you reckon major opposition coaches lose a little bit of sleep over? God I just want one dominant forward who puts the shits up the opposition.
Not sure there is anyone fitting that description who hasn't been selected.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
What guys in our pack do you reckon major opposition coaches lose a little bit of sleep over? God I just want one dominant forward who puts the shits up the opposition.
Not sure there is anyone fitting that description who hasn't been selected.
Agree 100%. My point wasn't we're picking the wrong players, my point is we haven't developed a high quality forward in a long time.
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What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes under Holland and McDonald.
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see any positive developments since he left, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid-2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attacking structures look non-existent.
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What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes under Holland and McDonald.
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see any positive developments since he left, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid-2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attacking structures look non-existent.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go? It should be noted that I hope all of this hand wringing ends up being just a speed bump, and that the best is just around the corner.
I don't recall Razor's Saders teams being this lacking in discipline and organisation. My recollection (which could be wrong) was they always seemed to do the basics well, kicked for territory well, and liked to play rugby in the right areas of the field
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go? It should be noted that I hope all of this hand wringing ends up being just a speed bump, and that the best is just around the corner.
I don't recall Razor's Saders teams being this lacking in discipline and organisation. My recollection (which could be wrong) was they always seemed to do the basics well, kicked for territory well, and liked to play rugby in the right areas of the field
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go? It should be noted that I hope all of this hand wringing ends up being just a speed bump, and that the best is just around the corner.
I don't recall Razor's Saders teams being this lacking in discipline and organisation. My recollection (which could be wrong) was they always seemed to do the basics well, kicked for territory well, and liked to play rugby in the right areas of the field
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot, and often had players carded. And they were prone to side to side stuff before earning the right. There were some suprising losses but they got forgotten about at the business end of the season.
I know it was a long time ago but Razor tried to be clever against the Lions and ended up losing. From memory he played DH at 12, a position he was inexperienced at.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go? It should be noted that I hope all of this hand wringing ends up being just a speed bump, and that the best is just around the corner.
I don't recall Razor's Saders teams being this lacking in discipline and organisation. My recollection (which could be wrong) was they always seemed to do the basics well, kicked for territory well, and liked to play rugby in the right areas of the field
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot, and often had players carded. And they were prone to side to side stuff before earning the right. There were some suprising losses but they got forgotten about at the business end of the season.
I know it was a long time ago but Razor tried to be clever against the Lions and ended up losing. From memory he played DH at 12, a position he was inexperienced at.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot
Au contraire, they got a sweet ride with kiwi refs. So maybe that's something Razor is struggling with too. We'd see guys like Taylor come into the ABs and forget he wasn't playing super rugby and get penalised off the park. Maybe that's why Blackadder is struggling to "get his legs back" too?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot
Au contraire, they got a sweet ride with kiwi refs. So maybe that's something Razor is struggling with too. We'd see guys like Taylor come into the ABs and forget he wasn't playing super rugby and get penalised off the park. Maybe that's why Blackadder is struggling to "get his legs back" too?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot
Au contraire, they got a sweet ride with kiwi refs. So maybe that's something Razor is struggling with too. We'd see guys like Taylor come into the ABs and forget he wasn't playing super rugby and get penalised off the park. Maybe that's why Blackadder is struggling to "get his legs back" too?
It would be interesting to see penalty counts and card counts. I don't think the Saders were as disciplined as people think.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
It seemed the Saders got pinged a lot
Au contraire, they got a sweet ride with kiwi refs. So maybe that's something Razor is struggling with too. We'd see guys like Taylor come into the ABs and forget he wasn't playing super rugby and get penalised off the park. Maybe that's why Blackadder is struggling to "get his legs back" too?
It would be interesting to see penalty counts and card counts. I don't think the Saders were as disciplined as people think.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go? It should be noted that I hope all of this hand wringing ends up being just a speed bump, and that the best is just around the corner.
I don't recall Razor's Saders teams being this lacking in discipline and organisation. My recollection (which could be wrong) was they always seemed to do the basics well, kicked for territory well, and liked to play rugby in the right areas of the field
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
What is up with the complete lack of deception in the attack shapes?
When Schmidt was coaching our attack we had lots of bodies in motion and players running creative lines, I can't see anything positive, we have regressed massively.
Can't see excuses because when Schmidt took over the attack in mid 2022 it only took two tests for his attacking patterns to come together - we are coming to our 5th test of the year and Holland/McDonald's attaching structures look non-existent.
It will be an interesting end of year review if Razor can't turn the ship around. I wonder how much rope he will get before he is pushed to let some of his assistants go?
I find it disappointing Razor was so keen for Holland as his first 3 phases attack coach when it's become apparent that Blyeendaal was the architect behind the Hurricanes effective strike attacks and is considered extremely highly by the players at the Canes for his rugby brain, on the other hand I've never heard anything regarding Canes players praising Holland.
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@Crazy-Horse it won't show the ones they got away with though
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse it won't show the ones they got away with though
No it won't and it points further to the Saders not actually being disciplined. Which is the premise that I was originally responding to
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse it won't show the ones they got away with though
No it won't and it points further to the Saders not actually being disciplined. Which is the premise that I was originally responding to
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse it won't show the ones they got away with though
No it won't and it points further to the Saders not actually being disciplined. Which is the premise that I was originally responding to
Yeah they weren't disciplined, fair enough. They just got away with it a lot easier than other teams.
