All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
We've got 10 tests left, and are currently 3-1.
2 Bankers Japan, Italy
3 'should win's - Arg, Ausx2
5 tough ones: SAx2, Fra, Ire, EngTo match Foster's record we need to go 10-4 overall ... so can drop 3 games.
So, if we drop 3 in the season it's a 'good' year, with a 78% win record. But I'd struggle to see us winning 3/5 of those tough games.
Given what we've seen so far, we may get 1 or 2 wins from the hard ones. But it all depends on our forwards stepping up on both sides of the ball.
The thing is, Razor is so cool, so dynamic, such a man of the people. He breakdances too.
Fozzie looked glum and he’s fat.
Different rules apply.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
We've got 10 tests left, and are currently 3-1.
2 Bankers Japan, Italy
3 'should win's - Arg, Ausx2
5 tough ones: SAx2, Fra, Ire, EngTo match Foster's record we need to go 10-4 overall ... so can drop 3 games.
So, if we drop 3 in the season it's a 'good' year, with a 78% win record. But I'd struggle to see us winning 3/5 of those tough games.
Given what we've seen so far, we may get 1 or 2 wins from the hard ones. But it all depends on our forwards stepping up on both sides of the ball.
The thing is, Razor is so cool, so dynamic, such a man of the people. He breakdances too.
Fozzie looked glum and he’s fat.
Different rules apply.
The OP was good, but comparing who we played is important as well.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
It was never just about the % of wins. It was the shit style of play repeated ad nauseum, poor selections, the same mistakes repeated despite 'learnings' being every 2nd word out of every fluffybunnies mouth, and the new lows - first losses etc. Once you give those records up, you never get them back, and you lose a significant psychological edge.
Yeah, shipping a record number of points at home against a pretty limited Argentina is definitely a new low.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
It was never just about the % of wins. It was the shit style of play repeated ad nauseum, poor selections, the same mistakes repeated despite 'learnings' being every 2nd word out of every fluffybunnies mouth, and the new lows - first losses etc. Once you give those records up, you never get them back, and you lose a significant psychological edge.
Yeah, shipping a record number of points at home against a pretty limited Argentina is definitely a new low.
limited? They now have fast-running backs, better defense, better allround kicking, and the fatties don't tire after 30 minutes, I'd say they improved!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
It was the shit style of play repeated ad nauseum, poor selections, the same mistakes repeated despite 'learnings' being every 2nd word out of every fluffybunnies mouth
Replacing the "learnings" word with the phrase "the players didn't do what we coached" is one improvement, I guess.
@Victor-Meldrew Maybe one gets given a learning but taught a lesson.
The former really grates me.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
It was never just about the % of wins. It was the shit style of play repeated ad nauseum, poor selections, the same mistakes repeated despite 'learnings' being every 2nd word out of every fluffybunnies mouth, and the new lows - first losses etc. Once you give those records up, you never get them back, and you lose a significant psychological edge.
Yeah, shipping a record number of points at home against a pretty limited Argentina is definitely a new low.
limited? They now have fast-running backs, better defense, better allround kicking, and the fatties don't tire after 30 minutes, I'd say they improved!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
Just for context on Foster. The record we considered unacceptable and should be sacked was:
46 tests, 32 wins, 12 losses 2 draws69% winning record
It was never just about the % of wins. It was the shit style of play repeated ad nauseum, poor selections, the same mistakes repeated despite 'learnings' being every 2nd word out of every fluffybunnies mouth, and the new lows - first losses etc. Once you give those records up, you never get them back, and you lose a significant psychological edge.
Yeah, shipping a record number of points at home against a pretty limited Argentina is definitely a new low.
limited? They now have fast-running backs, better defense, better allround kicking, and the fatties don't tire after 30 minutes, I'd say they improved!
Argentina were ranked 7th in the global rankings before last week - they were also ranked 7th at the same time last year. Less Argentinian improvement, more we've gone backwards.
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The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
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The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
We're already starting to question whether there's too many cooks in the kitchen, adding more doesn't seem promising. But maybe we need some chefs to replace the cooks.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
We're already starting to question whether there's too many cooks in the kitchen, adding more doesn't seem promising. But maybe we need some chefs to replace the cooks.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
We're already starting to question whether there's too many cooks in the kitchen, adding more doesn't seem promising. But maybe we need some chefs to replace the cooks.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
Chiefs and Highlanders have gone that way with Liam Messam Jono Gibbes in part time 'personal development' roles. at Landers you have Ben Smith, Nasi Manu in mentoring roles, Nasi only part time. the Blues also had Tana Umaga last season in a similar role, he was only part time as well I think.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This is the other sad reality we have to face. We outsourced our muscle and our know how.
So much of our "I.P" is off abroad earning a pound note. And good luck to them I suppose.
We would be much better off if they were here putting their shoulder to the wheel though.
To see Tony Brown in the Springbok set up is just horrible. It's a shame it has to be this way.
Even Kenny Lynn was plotting our demise last weekend with the Argies.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This is the other sad reality we have to face. We outsourced our muscle and our know how.
So much of our "I.P" is off abroad earning a pound note. And good luck to them I suppose.
We would be much better off if they were here putting their shoulder to the wheel though.
To see Tony Brown in the Springbok set up is just horrible. It's a shame it has to be this way.
Even Kenny Lynn was plotting our demise last weekend with the Argies.
Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.
I’m not entirely sure where he has earned his reputation from his work with Japan and Highlanders (although that just may be ignorance on my part)
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Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.
I’m not entirely sure where he has earned his reputation from his work with Japan and Highlanders (although that just may be ignorance on my part)
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.
I’m not entirely sure where he has earned his reputation from his work with Japan and Highlanders (although that just may be ignorance on my part)
Yeah not apportioning blame to anyone. Im not sure of the politics behind the scenes. Coching tickets, loyalties. "We come as a package" etc.
It just feels off when you have a New Zealander in the opposite coaching box scheming back line moves to carve you open.
Its all a bit shit.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.
I’m not entirely sure where he has earned his reputation from his work with Japan and Highlanders (although that just may be ignorance on my part)
Yeah not apportioning blame to anyone. Im not sure of the politics behind the scenes. Coching tickets, loyalties. "We come as a package" etc.
It just feels off when you have a New Zealander in the opposite coaching box scheming back line moves to carve you open.
Its all a bit shit.
It’s the way of the world unfortunately.
There are 8 big coaching jobs in NZ rugby - 5 super rugby head coaches, AB coach and a couple of assistants). Most of them don’t pay as well as overseas jobs.
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No different from other sports (sailing comes to mind). We have to try to keep the best of the best for ourselves. But that isn't easy, because there will always be those who don't want to wait and decide to take opportunities elsewhere. Opportunities that often lead back to playing the ABs
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
We're already starting to question whether there's too many cooks in the kitchen, adding more doesn't seem promising. But maybe we need some chefs to replace the cooks.
@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
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@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
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@stodders I don't see a huge difference between let's say, a skills coach, and a mentor. The difference between sharing knowledge and guidance?
@Bones A skills coach helps you to perfect a specific technique or skill, e.g. contact skills or kicking technique, whereas a mentor allows you to talk through game situations and how better to handle those experiences.
I would agree with you that there are maybe too many skills coaches involved and not enough mentors.
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@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
I wonder were our golden generation so obsessed and so focused in their careers that post 2015 they couldn’t be arsed seeing a Rugby ball again.
Carter, McCaw, Conrad et al.
Maybe they completely burned themselves out.
McCaw looked relieved to be walking away from the game. There was no hint of a bank account padding sojourn to Japan or France with him.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
I wonder were our golden generation so obsessed and so focused in their careers that post 2015 they couldn’t be arsed seeing a Rugby ball again.
Carter, McCaw, Conrad et al.
Maybe they completely burned themselves out.
McCaw looked relieved to be walking away from the game. There was no hint of a bank account padding sojourn to Japan or France with him.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024:
Sami T has been spotted in a Hamilton gym with no moon boot on and walking freely
I spoke to him last Sat. He is aiming for the EOYT. It was a rupture.
