All Blacks v Argentina II
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6 A Ioane
7 A Savea
8 H Sotutu
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Good win. Does it not rain in Argentina? They didn't handle the conditions at all, they were awful frankly.
We were busy and harrassed the Argentinians in to errors. And then buttfucked their scrum. Lineout was OK, lots of using our shorter jumpers at 2.
Good with turnover ball as well.
Last 20 was a bit ordinary, but everything looked like it had an extra edge to it. Some of the poor bits from last week were still there, and weirdly I think we score less points in the dry. Nice confidence booster before the next challenge.
I liked the short ball from Jordie to Rieko that they used a couple of times, if there is a poor read or miss there, I think it is well designed for him. If we can get animation and timing then I could see what they were trying to achieve.
Also, with this idea of chips to break down the rush, he’s very valuable - I liked how they used Dmac there as well - he seems much quicker and can change direction much better than Jordie. That try was so well done that we can hold either hold the man behind (creating wider space) or take advantage anytime there isn’t a man behind.
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
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Disappointed we didn’t kick on but I’ve not played senior rugby so when the game is won surely a bit of self preservation comes into play.
Why hit at 100% when the injury risk is higher when the 5 points is bagged?
A parallel would be my last marathon where with 2 miles to go my first ever sub 4 was bagged. I decided to push harder and immediately felt things start to tweak. So I backed off the pace a bit. Goal was complete, so no point risking injury for nothing.
I do wonder if the same thing goes through their minds.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Disappointed we didn’t kick on but I’ve not played senior rugby so when the game is won surely a bit of self preservation comes into play.
Why hit at 100% when the injury risk is higher when the 5 points is bagged?
A parallel would be my last marathon where with 2 miles to go my first ever sub 4 was bagged. I decided to push harder and immediately felt things start to tweak. So I backed off the pace a bit. Goal was complete, so no point risking injury for nothing.
I do wonder if the same thing goes through their minds.
It was good to let the bench get on and have a run, although it would have been more valuable IMHO if we stayed with the same gameplan as the first half
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
You can't rush up when you are forced to defend the forward pack running up the middle
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Got past it with the quick offloads
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
YC was BS and we all know it and it was that man again MJ in the TMO box that put yet another AB in the bin for nowt.
It was an absolutely stone-cold Yellow Card and it would have been for the last ten years in any Rugby Union game officiated by a European ref.
You can't go high and anywhere near the head and expect to stay on the field. I've seen dozens of those given.
The players in the Irish National side have learned how to never, ever do that. Some of the AB squad still need to learn.
Didn’t hit him high though did he. He smacked him fair in the ribs.
Head to head contact is a YC all day now
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Much more effective than cross kicks. Also nice to avoid too many speculators in our own half until we'd won the battle up front
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
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- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You claimed he was a defensive powerhouse..
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You brought up how there were no linebreaks/turnovers insinuating this was Riekos doing.
So you agree he was ineffectual in attack, conceded the most turnovers and was a spectator in defense with a grand total of 2 tackles all game.
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You claimed he was a defensive powerhouse..
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You brought up how there were no linebreaks/turnovers insinuating this was Riekos doing.
So you agree he was ineffectual in attack, conceded the most turnovers and was a spectator in defense with a grand total of 2 tackles all game.
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You know you could clarify what you meant instead of pivoting to insults.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
It's the double edged sword that is the aura
