All Blacks v Argentina II
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Got past it with the quick offloads
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
YC was BS and we all know it and it was that man again MJ in the TMO box that put yet another AB in the bin for nowt.
It was an absolutely stone-cold Yellow Card and it would have been for the last ten years in any Rugby Union game officiated by a European ref.
You can't go high and anywhere near the head and expect to stay on the field. I've seen dozens of those given.
The players in the Irish National side have learned how to never, ever do that. Some of the AB squad still need to learn.
Didn’t hit him high though did he. He smacked him fair in the ribs.
Head to head contact is a YC all day now
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Much more effective than cross kicks. Also nice to avoid too many speculators in our own half until we'd won the battle up front
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
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- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You claimed he was a defensive powerhouse..
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You brought up how there were no linebreaks/turnovers insinuating this was Riekos doing.
So you agree he was ineffectual in attack, conceded the most turnovers and was a spectator in defense with a grand total of 2 tackles all game.
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You claimed he was a defensive powerhouse..
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You brought up how there were no linebreaks/turnovers insinuating this was Riekos doing.
So you agree he was ineffectual in attack, conceded the most turnovers and was a spectator in defense with a grand total of 2 tackles all game.
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You know you could clarify what you meant instead of pivoting to insults.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
It's the double edged sword that is the aura
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
To be fair, Rugby Jesus getting off was down to the TMO due to the "sudden change of height" ...
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
Clarke and Jordan will be a handful. If we can win or at least par the collision area/breakdown
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
Clarke and Jordan will be a handful. If we can win or at least par the collision area/breakdown
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
Clarke and Jordan will be a handful. If we can win or at least par the collision area/breakdown
Unpossible. The
bomb squad 
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Was at the game last night. Couple of observations:
- Va’ai and Ardie were very good
- Jordan is a weapon obviously, but prone to making bad calls from fullback
- Chips were useful on a heavy ground to turn the defense around initially, variation seems to be the key to upsetting rush defence
- Scrum a big part of ABs gaining upper hand
- kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs. Aimless field kicking (including box kicks) put us under pressure a few times, touch-finding never has any range. DMac and Beaudy are both wanting in those areas. Jordie with a howler near the end.
- Argies didn’t turn up and seemed pretty gutted at the end
- Disappointing how ABs lost shape after such a great start, but forgivable
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Was at the game last night. Couple of observations:
- Va’ai and Ardie were very good
- Jordan is a weapon obviously, but prone to making bad calls from fullback
- Chips were useful on a heavy ground to turn the defense around initially, variation seems to be the key to upsetting rush defence
- Scrum a big part of ABs gaining upper hand
- kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs. Aimless field kicking (including box kicks) put us under pressure a few times, touch-finding never has any range. DMac and Beaudy are both wanting in those areas. Jordie with a howler near the end.
- Argies didn’t turn up and seemed pretty gutted at the end
- Disappointing how ABs lost shape after such a great start, but forgivable
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs.
Really?
Felt the deep crossfield kicking aiming at the 50-22s pinned them back and worked really well.
Much happier with those than the middle distance kicking last year's team employed.
