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Leon MacDonald Quits

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  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

    @mariner4life probably not but its also very out of character for NZR to be this decisive

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

    @mariner4life probably not but its also very out of character for NZR to be this decisive

    it's all very mature and high performance isn't it?

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      @Kiwiwomble said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

      @mariner4life probably not but its also very out of character for NZR to be this decisive

      it's all very mature and high performance isn't it?

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      @mariner4life WEIRD aye?

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        Considering that the Canes backline attack was the only decent thing during Holland's tenure, I'm sure he could sort the backs out better than Leon

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          @mariner4life said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

          you know what, that's the most positive thing i have seen out of this coaching group yet. This isn't working, lets try something else. Nice and quick too.

          I will give razor this, if its not working move on.

          The obvious cynical question then becomes, is it next best backline coach who is availble with some transperancy that steps in or a Crusaders (by default) replacement

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          @bayimports said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

          The obvious cynical question then becomes, is it next best backline coach who is availble with some transperancy that steps in or a Crusaders (by default) replacement

          "hi Tony, you don't really like working with those hulking green monsters do you?"

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            The timing is a bit weird.

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            • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

              The timing is a bit weird.

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              @nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

              The timing is a bit weird.

              Razor: "hi everyone. Have you all got your boarding passes?"
              Leon: "ah, i haven't been sent mine yet?"
              Razor: "yeah, about that..."

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                I'll give Razor credit for pulling the trigger and essentially admitting his mistake, when jobs for the lads didn't seem to be working out

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                  In the context of making a big decision that is in-season, this was the time to make it given the ABs aren’t playing this weekend. A bit of clear air come the time of the next match.

                  Good luck to Rangi on whatever he does next. One door closes and another opens I guess…

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                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                    In the context of making a big decision that is in-season, this was the time to make it given the ABs aren’t playing this weekend. A bit of clear air come the time of the next match.

                    Good luck to Rangi on whatever he does next. One door closes and another opens I guess…

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                    @ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                    One door closes and another opens I guess…

                    as my grandfather said, who was a good man, but a poor cabinet maker.

                    Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.

                    All the best to him. It's tough if you disagree with the top dog, but the right thing is to step down, not half arse it for a season.

                    As an aside, we're 10-2 in TRC. Fozzie never lost one. The format is hard for us this year - but that loss to Argentina has made winning this incredibly tough.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rugby_Championship#The_Rugby_Championship_(2012–Present)

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                      The ABs fly out today and tomorrow so no point MacDonald travelling if a change was going to be made. Questions would be asked once the media realised he wasn't involved. Control the narrative as they say.

                      I'm not sure Holland's input has been that great so far either.

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        The ABs fly out today and tomorrow so no point MacDonald travelling if a change was going to be made. Questions would be asked once the media realised he wasn't involved. Control the narrative as they say.

                        I'm not sure Holland's input has been that great so far either.

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                        @Bovidae said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                        I'm not sure Holland's input has been that great so far either.

                        the coaching group hasn't looked great at all. Selections still seem a bit weird - hard to figure out the thinking at times.

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                          obviously Razor has recognised the complete lack of ex-Waikato players in his setup and is looking to rectify.

                          Jonno Gibbes in with Liam Messam Cultural Ambassador would be my guess

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                            A few random thoughts at 02:45.

                            1. Big news.

                            2. This has happened mighty close to the South Africa games.

                            3. My gut instinct is to welcome this news. There have been too many voices in the AB camp and the performance against Argentina in Wellington was horribly disjointed. Mac Donald hardly excelled with the Blues.

                            4. Did anyone see this coming?

                            5. Anyone got any oil on what's happened?

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                              Great to see Razor is constantly looking to improve and isn't too stubborn.

                              Would really like to know what exactly the different views were or was it more Razor saw our attack sucked and took action.

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                              • WillieTheWaiterW WillieTheWaiter

                                obviously Razor has recognised the complete lack of ex-Waikato players in his setup and is looking to rectify.

                                Jonno Gibbes in with Liam Messam Cultural Ambassador would be my guess

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                                @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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                                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                  @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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                                  @taniwharugby said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                  @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

                                  Foster

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                                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                    @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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                                    @taniwharugby

                                    Robbie Deans?

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                                      @taniwharugby

                                      Robbie Deans?

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                                      @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                      @taniwharugby

                                      Robbie Deans?

                                      Didn't play for Waikato. Mitch anyone?

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                                      • nzzpN nzzp

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                        One door closes and another opens I guess…

                                        as my grandfather said, who was a good man, but a poor cabinet maker.

                                        Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.

                                        All the best to him. It's tough if you disagree with the top dog, but the right thing is to step down, not half arse it for a season.

                                        As an aside, we're 10-2 in TRC. Fozzie never lost one. The format is hard for us this year - but that loss to Argentina has made winning this incredibly tough.

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rugby_Championship#The_Rugby_Championship_(2012–Present)

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                                        @nzzp said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                        Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.

                                        I think this is debateable. Better than the dreadful era of Sir JK and Tana, but statistics made easier by the competition becoming beat the worst NZ team and a bunch of Oz ones.

                                        I don't know if it was messaging or philosophy but the attack for the Blues looked disjointed and lethargic. The difference in style and outcome from one year under Vern speaks volumes.

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                                          So who are the coaching group now and what are they are each responsible for?

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