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Leon MacDonald Quits

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  • sparkyS Offline
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    #57

    A few random thoughts at 02:45.

    1. Big news.

    2. This has happened mighty close to the South Africa games.

    3. My gut instinct is to welcome this news. There have been too many voices in the AB camp and the performance against Argentina in Wellington was horribly disjointed. Mac Donald hardly excelled with the Blues.

    4. Did anyone see this coming?

    5. Anyone got any oil on what's happened?

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      #58

      Great to see Razor is constantly looking to improve and isn't too stubborn.

      Would really like to know what exactly the different views were or was it more Razor saw our attack sucked and took action.

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      • WillieTheWaiterW WillieTheWaiter

        obviously Razor has recognised the complete lack of ex-Waikato players in his setup and is looking to rectify.

        Jonno Gibbes in with Liam Messam Cultural Ambassador would be my guess

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        #59

        @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

          @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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          @taniwharugby said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

          @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

          Foster

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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            @taniwharugby

            Robbie Deans?

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              @taniwharugby

              Robbie Deans?

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              @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

              @taniwharugby

              Robbie Deans?

              Didn't play for Waikato. Mitch anyone?

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                @ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                One door closes and another opens I guess…

                as my grandfather said, who was a good man, but a poor cabinet maker.

                Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.

                All the best to him. It's tough if you disagree with the top dog, but the right thing is to step down, not half arse it for a season.

                As an aside, we're 10-2 in TRC. Fozzie never lost one. The format is hard for us this year - but that loss to Argentina has made winning this incredibly tough.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rugby_Championship#The_Rugby_Championship_(2012–Present)

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                @nzzp said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.

                I think this is debateable. Better than the dreadful era of Sir JK and Tana, but statistics made easier by the competition becoming beat the worst NZ team and a bunch of Oz ones.

                I don't know if it was messaging or philosophy but the attack for the Blues looked disjointed and lethargic. The difference in style and outcome from one year under Vern speaks volumes.

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                  #64

                  So who are the coaching group now and what are they are each responsible for?

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                    It won't happen until they have a meeting about when the meeting to decide if they will have a meeting to reallocate the positions of responsibility is to be held.

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      So who are the coaching group now and what are they are each responsible for?

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                      @sparky
                      Herald said - Hansen, Ellison and Holland could play MacDonald's role. But I think they were naming possibilities rather than saying all three will do it.

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                      • boobooB booboo

                        @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                        @taniwharugby

                        Robbie Deans?

                        Didn't play for Waikato. Mitch anyone?

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                        @booboo said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                        @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                        @taniwharugby

                        Robbie Deans?

                        Didn't play for Waikato. Mitch anyone?

                        John Boe!

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                          Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all… 👀

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                          • Landers92L Landers92

                            Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all… 👀

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                            @Landers92 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                            Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all… 👀

                            I can barely remember stuff I said a few hours ago, let alone stuff you said a few weeks ago

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                            • voodooV voodoo

                              @Landers92 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                              Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all… 👀

                              I can barely remember stuff I said a few hours ago, let alone stuff you said a few weeks ago

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                              @voodoo funnily enough, same. Only the important things, eg stuff regarding sport but nothing the Mrs tells me.

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                              • sparkyS sparky

                                A few random thoughts at 02:45.

                                1. Big news.

                                2. This has happened mighty close to the South Africa games.

                                3. My gut instinct is to welcome this news. There have been too many voices in the AB camp and the performance against Argentina in Wellington was horribly disjointed. Mac Donald hardly excelled with the Blues.

                                4. Did anyone see this coming?

                                5. Anyone got any oil on what's happened?

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                                Rancid Schnitzel
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                                @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                A few random thoughts at 02:45.

                                1. Big news.

                                2. This has happened mighty close to the South Africa games.

                                3. My gut instinct is to welcome this news. There have been too many voices in the AB camp and the performance against Argentina in Wellington was horribly disjointed. Mac Donald hardly excelled with the Blues.

                                4. Did anyone see this coming?

                                5. Anyone got any oil on what's happened?

                                1. Jealous of MacDonald's guns?
                                  They were peers and team mates for a good while so maybe MacDonald wasn't good at taking orders? Or maybe Razor evaluated performances, deemed them substandard and pulled the trigger. Wish Henry and co had done that with Foster.
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                                • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

                                  @sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                  A few random thoughts at 02:45.

                                  1. Big news.

                                  2. This has happened mighty close to the South Africa games.

                                  3. My gut instinct is to welcome this news. There have been too many voices in the AB camp and the performance against Argentina in Wellington was horribly disjointed. Mac Donald hardly excelled with the Blues.

                                  4. Did anyone see this coming?

                                  5. Anyone got any oil on what's happened?

                                  1. Jealous of MacDonald's guns?
                                    They were peers and team mates for a good while so maybe MacDonald wasn't good at taking orders? Or maybe Razor evaluated performances, deemed them substandard and pulled the trigger. Wish Henry and co had done that with Foster.
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                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                  Wish Henry and co had done that with Foster.

                                  Wish Foster had done that earlier with Plumtree and Mooar.
                                  He was never a proactive guy.

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                                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                    @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

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                                    @taniwharugby said in Leon MacDonald Quits:

                                    @WillieTheWaiter Scott McLeod making a comeback?

                                    Hell no

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                                      #74

                                      Just throwing my two cents out there.

                                      I remember Razor made a relevant point in the recent documentary how he and Leon approached the game differently, he was saying how he tends to look for 'what could go right' whereas Leon tends to look for 'what could go wrong'.

                                      I think it comes down to their mindset. Razor is an optimist by nature and risk-taking individual while Leon's coaching and selections have always tended to be conservative and low-risk in nature - see his Blues tenure.

                                      Leon is conventional and coaches more by the book while Razor is the opposite of that, he's more of an unshackled unorthodox free-spirited individual Lol.... maybe Razor is right into that new age stuff?

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                                        "Hey Vern, Razor here. Have you got any plans for the next couple of weeks....?"

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                                          bayimports
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                                          Position now vacant in the 50 coaches for the ABs
                                          Raygun enters the chat, open for work, break dancing duo to debut post tri nations

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