Leon MacDonald Quits
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Interesting watching the Razor interview.
Sounded like someone announcing a divorce.
Not about selections, just different coaching philosophies. They are not aligned apparently.
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Razor and Leon always seemed like very philosophically different coaches to me, I'm honestly more surprised they were still so intent on working together after 4 years forging different paths in SR, especially after Leon originally parted ways with Razor after just 1 season at the Crusaders. Thoughts @Chris?
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These were the official job descriptions:
Scott Roberston (Head Coach)
Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)
Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)
Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)
Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)
Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)
Wayne Smith (Performance Coach) -
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Gut instinct says they had too many coaches so no need to replace Leon
i would if there was a chance o getting someone like Tony Brown....but not just get someone because they think they need someone
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what the fuck is a contact skills coach?
And considering how badly we are losing contact areas, why does he still have a job?
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These were the official job descriptions:
Scott Roberston (Head Coach)
Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)
Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)
Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)
Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)
Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)
Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)@Bovidae said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
These were the official job descriptions:
Scott Roberston (Head Coach)
Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)
Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)
Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)
Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)
Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)
Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)Looking at that list probably no need to replace him. Wouldn’t Assistant Coach Backs and Assistant Coach Attack be just about the same job?
If they were to bring someone in would like to see the likes of Cory Jane or Ben Smith considered
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They wont be bringing in anyone
MacDonald won’t be replaced. Instead, assistant coach Scott Hansen and contact skills coach Tamati Ellison will take on additional responsibilities.
The All Blacks also have former Hurricanes coach Jason Holland on board as a specialist attack coach.
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Razor and Leon always seemed like very philosophically different coaches to me, I'm honestly more surprised they were still so intent on working together after 4 years forging different paths in SR, especially after Leon originally parted ways with Razor after just 1 season at the Crusaders. Thoughts @Chris?
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Razor and Leon always seemed like very philosophically different coaches to me, I'm honestly more surprised they were still so intent on working together after 4 years forging different paths in SR, especially after Leon originally parted ways with Razor after just 1 season at the Crusaders. Thoughts @Chris?
Yeah me too I wondered if it would work,
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
No suprise to me it didn’t work. -
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Razor and Leon always seemed like very philosophically different coaches to me, I'm honestly more surprised they were still so intent on working together after 4 years forging different paths in SR, especially after Leon originally parted ways with Razor after just 1 season at the Crusaders. Thoughts @Chris?
Yeah me too I wondered if it would work,
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
No suprise to me it didn’t work.@Chris Senz reporting Hansen from to attack, Ellision to defence, the roles they had at Crusaders under Razor. Since Leon isn't being replaced does this mean Ellison will travel to SA and stay with the All Blacks permanently? Surely he can't take that Crusaders HC gig now, he needs to commit to one role or else ABs will need a new defense coach in 2026...
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@Chris Senz reporting Hansen from to attack, Ellision to defence, the roles they had at Crusaders under Razor. Since Leon isn't being replaced does this mean Ellison will travel to SA and stay with the All Blacks permanently? Surely he can't take that Crusaders HC gig now, he needs to commit to one role or else ABs will need a new defense coach in 2026...
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Chris Senz reporting Hansen from to attack, Ellision to defence, the roles they had at Crusaders under Razor. Since Leon isn't being replaced does this mean Ellison will travel to SA and stay with the All Blacks permanently? Surely he can't take that Crusaders HC gig now, he needs to commit to one role or else ABs will need a new defense coach in 2026...
He can't anyway as Rob Penney is still the incumbent in that position, at least for now.
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No, the point is Ellison is groomed to take over Crusaders in 2026, I'd rather he commit to ABs until 2027 World Cup so we're not facing more coaching changes... he is a good defense coach, highly rated - 3 titles with Crusaders as defense coach and Wellington's first title in 22 years as defence coach. Losing him from the AB setup would be a big blow. @Chris?
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@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Razor and Leon always seemed like very philosophically different coaches to me, I'm honestly more surprised they were still so intent on working together after 4 years forging different paths in SR, especially after Leon originally parted ways with Razor after just 1 season at the Crusaders. Thoughts @Chris?
Yeah me too I wondered if it would work,
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
No suprise to me it didn’t work.@Chris said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
On the field the Crusaders were terrific the one year Leon was assistant (2017). Was there murmurings of coaching clashes?
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@Chris said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
On the field the Crusaders were terrific the one year Leon was assistant (2017). Was there murmurings of coaching clashes?
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Chris said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
It didn’t at the Crusaders and again it was 2 different coaching directions and thought patterns.
On the field the Crusaders were terrific the one year Leon was assistant (2017). Was there murmurings of coaching clashes?
Yes I heard there was a clash
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No, the point is Ellison is groomed to take over Crusaders in 2026, I'd rather he commit to ABs until 2027 World Cup so we're not facing more coaching changes... he is a good defense coach, highly rated - 3 titles with Crusaders as defense coach and Wellington's first title in 22 years as defence coach. Losing him from the AB setup would be a big blow. @Chris?
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
No, the point is Ellison is groomed to take over Crusaders in 2026, I'd rather he commit to ABs until 2027 World Cup so we're not facing more coaching changes... he is a good defense coach, highly rated - 3 titles with Crusaders as defense coach and Wellington's first title in 22 years as defence coach. Losing him from the AB setup would be a big blow. @Chris?
Looks like he will take a more permeant Role with the ABs
You would think it would rule him out of a Full time SR role -
Perofeta will be fuming at this news.
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No, the point is Ellison is groomed to take over Crusaders in 2026, I'd rather he commit to ABs until 2027 World Cup so we're not facing more coaching changes... he is a good defense coach, highly rated - 3 titles with Crusaders as defense coach and Wellington's first title in 22 years as defence coach. Losing him from the AB setup would be a big blow. @Chris?
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
No, the point is Ellison is groomed to take over Crusaders in 2026, I'd rather he commit to ABs until 2027 World Cup so we're not facing more coaching changes... he is a good defense coach, highly rated - 3 titles with Crusaders as defense coach and Wellington's first title in 22 years as defence coach. Losing him from the AB setup would be a big blow. @Chris?
This post might bring a certain poster back from the Fern dead….
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The great thing about rugby is that you can find success with different philosophies / approaches, particularly from an attacking standpoint. And whilst the Crusaders had success back in 2017 what translated in the years thereafter was quite a different approach and there was still some success.
I’m sure both Rangi and Razor (and the other coaches) are disappointed it didn’t work out but in an environment when every match counts and the spotlight is a thousand times brighter, there’s not really time to try and ‘work it out’.
They are all pros and will be able to move on.
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I'll give Razor credit for pulling the trigger and essentially admitting his mistake, when jobs for the lads didn't seem to be working out
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I'll give Razor credit for pulling the trigger and essentially admitting his mistake, when jobs for the lads didn't seem to be working out
Is that what it is though? Or do we see Holland walk when they get back from SA.... get rid of all those pesky guys that aren't his lads...
