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Emma Hilton and Ross Tucker have summed up the situation nicely. Emma in particular has laid out the workflow that should be followed when deciding whether someone should be excluded from competing in the female category:
XY
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testes
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Testosterone production from testes
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Functional testosterone receptors
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Functional response to testosteroneEssentially as Tucker argues, a sex test should be the starting point for investigation, simple cheek swab identifies XY, it should be regarded as a screen. XX, automatically qualify for female category, XY requires further testing to establish the above from Hilton.
The last time female athletes were polled, over 80% supported sex screening, I bet that is higher now. So why the IOC keep repeating the line that ‘no one wants to go back to sex testing’ is beyond me. Women do.
The condition that Semenya had is v likely the same as these two boxers, internal testes with male testosterone production. People keep talking about Swyers, however that is apparently vanishingly rare and has never been observed in female athletes, where as the 5ARD is sought after in sport and therefore more likely.
I don’t like the fact this has become about the two individual boxers, this is a systemic failure on the part of the IOC for not acting on the test results when initially provided. The fact that they’re happy to rely on passports in a sport which is literally life threatening is disgusting. Men hit c162% harder than the same weight woman, this is a safety and governance issue. That said, once the results of those tests became known by the athletes and they chose not to appeal, they became complicit in dangerous cheating.
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So do you think this is all a power play between the IOC and the IBA?
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Of sorts, I think this is an ideological position from the IOC that the individual sports federations have gradually disagreed with as they’ve understood the risk / lack of fairness of males appearing in women’s categories in their sports over the years. Because the IOC control the boxing with no external federation running it they’ve imposed their own desire for inclusion over fairness / safety. I imagine the IBA are pissed off at the IOC for having been displaced, and have taken this as an opportunity to get their own back.
Ultimately I don’t care about the motivation of the IBA, this debacle can only be laid at the feet of an ideologically captured IOC
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@Dodge Emma Hilton is fantastic, I know she advised the RFU on this and they stopped biological males competing in women's rugby as a result due to the obvious safety concerns. The IOC and other sporting bodies would do well to do the same.
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This article is just such a great example of how bad the media are.
"Boxer Imane Khelif advances to gold medal bout at Paris Olympics with another victory amid gender misconceptions"
"Carini’s abandonment of the fight led to comments from the likes of former U.S. President Donald Trump, “Harry Potter” writer J.K. Rowling and others falsely claiming Khelif was a man or transgender."
And yet, not a single sentence in that article either confirming or denying that she has XY chromosomes. That isn't reporting, that's an ideologically captured "journalist" writing an opinion piece with zero evidence and presenting it as fact.
Just when I thought I couldn't despise these media outlets any more they sink to new lows.
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@taniwharugby Insane. And the female politicians who aren't kicking up a stink about this are cowards.
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@taniwharugby said in Stupid shit you see on the internet:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po
Well that's crap
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@taniwharugby said in Stupid shit you see on the internet:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po
You fucking idiots Australia
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The whole thing is so absurd now. Discrimination based on sex is something that has to occur in some parts of life due to the differences between men and women. I can't believe they are rolling back protections for women, we are just regressing with shit like this.
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Oh, and I'll say the quiet part out loud - rulings like this are forcing women to participate in some men's fetish/fantasy.
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Makes me so angry. And embarrassed to be a man to see this bloke pull this shit.
What a cnt of a man he is
It’s the many catering to the ‘needs’ of the few
( what he actually needs is to be locked up, studied and experimented on )
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Oh, and I'll say the quiet part out loud - rulings like this are forcing women to participate in some men's fetish/fantasy.
This should not be the quiet part.
It's one of the major reasons It's wrong.
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@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Oh, and I'll say the quiet part out loud - rulings like this are forcing women to participate in some men's fetish/fantasy.
This should not be the quiet part.
It's one of the major reasons it (the whole ideology around gender woo - there are others) is wrong.
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Transgender woman's campaign to change the world after landmark win
Roxanne Tickle was awarded $10,000 in compensation on Friday after the Australian Federal Court ruled she was discriminated against by the Giggle app.
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@BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Transgender woman's campaign to change the world after landmark win
Roxanne Tickle was awarded $10,000 in compensation on Friday after the Australian Federal Court ruled she was discriminated against by the Giggle app.
She forgot number 11 in her commandments list
I have to believe you're as much a woman as I believe the fairy tales of the world's religions
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
