Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
Watched the first one
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
I couldn't believe that they took off Clarke, moved Rieko to accommodate ALB and kept the worst decision maker in Jordie on the field.
Surely you replace Jordie with ALB and keep the other two where they were?
Clarke was hurt. He landed badly from a high ball take and then couldn't keep up with the ensuing play. I wouldn't be surprised if Clarke was ruled out this weekend.
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
I couldn't believe that they took off Clarke, moved Rieko to accommodate ALB and kept the worst decision maker in Jordie on the field.
Surely you replace Jordie with ALB and keep the other two where they were?
Clarke was hurt. He landed badly from a high ball take and then couldn't keep up with the ensuing play. I wouldn't be surprised if Clarke was ruled out this weekend.
I sure as hell hope not. Mutt stated no injury concerns.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp yeah that is absolutely appalling refereeing, he clearly isn't up to it if he can't control his emotions in that situation. That plus the knock on try should see him stood down for a period of time, that's just nowhere near good enough.
Two best teams in the world and they schedule that mong. The game deserved better
Nothing will come of it. Wayne Barnes got a career after an appalling display of ineptitude. We were made to suffer as the pretence of "respecting the referee" kept getting thrown in our faces every time we were subjected to howlers. The only amateur hangover in a professional game.
He is abysmal. I was more angry about some of the ruck calls than the Mbonambi try.
Because for the ruck calls he was inventing stuff that didnt happen.
The Bongi try was an error of omission.
The ruck penalties were pure guesswork/dishonesty.
Wonder what TAS will make of last Saturday?
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There were some terrible calls against the ABs. The posture of the ref against TJ at the beginning was strange, however we did get away with Cane staying on the field after the hit on Kolisi. At the end of the day we have to win even with crap calls, it’s still a loss and too much whinging won’t change the result. We don’t want to be victims, we must beat the team in front of us and if that include a refs dodgey calls then that’s what we have to do.
@Boston-Boy said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
There were some terrible calls against the ABs. The posture of the ref against TJ at the beginning was strange, however we did get away with Cane staying on the field after the hit on Kolisi. At the end of the day we have to win even with crap calls, it’s still a loss and too much whinging won’t change the result. We don’t want to be victims, we must beat the team in front of us and if that include a refs dodgey calls then that’s what we have to do.
If you’re not careful you’ll go the way of Wales who for a long time blamed everyone and everything for their woes except themselves
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet He called it a sledge so I presume the ref was struggling with TJ's accent and thought that he was calling one of the Springboks a twat.
Brace to TJ
‘I’m going to give you a clear message - insult me like that and you leave the field”
I don't think that's what he said. I listened a couple of times with headphones. I have
TJ: 'what's that'Ref (after the whistle)
I'm going to give you a very clear message. Shout at me again and you're going to leave the field.I thought it was 'insult' - if so, ref arguably justified. But really? Reverse possession with a penalty for shouting -- and very justified. Clear penalty to the Blackness for a player rolling over the ball on teh wrong side, and int eh modern game it's approaching yellow card given the field position.
Very poor refereeing.
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@sparky said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Jet He called it a sledge so I presume the ref was struggling with TJ's accent and thought that he was calling one of the Springboks a twat.
Brace to TJ
‘I’m going to give you a clear message - insult me like that and you leave the field”
I don't think that's what he said. I listened a couple of times with headphones. I have
TJ: 'what's that'Ref (after the whistle)
I'm going to give you a very clear message. Shout at me again and you're going to leave the field.I thought it was 'insult' - if so, ref arguably justified. But really? Reverse possession with a penalty for shouting -- and very justified. Clear penalty to the Blackness for a player rolling over the ball on teh wrong side, and int eh modern game it's approaching yellow card given the field position.
Very poor refereeing.
Yes you could be right. I think the audio goes weird on that word which is why it sounds like it has two syllables
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re Mbonambis try.
JBs arm swings round and his hand makes contact with the ball in Mbonambis hand. The contact force causes Mbonambis elbow to flex and Mbonambis hand holding ball travels back a short distance towards Mbonambis face. The ball hits Mbonambis face and drops to the ground.
Does the whole technical aspect of this try depend on whether there is separation of Mbonambis hand and ball when travelling backwards towards his face.
If there is knock forward by JB.
If there's not knock forward by Mbonambi -
I don't mind that the ref awarded it as a try, I'm just annoyed it wasn't properly reviewed like almost every other similar try. Maybe it was a try, didn't go forward, etc. But we'll never know as it wasn't properly reviewed.
Personally imo ditch the TMO as they haven't made decision making any better. Just let the ref call it, and carry on. But there is a TMO so they should do their job
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BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
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BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
That was the biggest mistake
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BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
Are we still hung up on old standards? I'm pretty sure it should be reviewed by the tmo anyway, without being asked.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
Are we still hung up on old standards? I'm pretty sure it should be reviewed by the tmo anyway, without being asked.
@Bones that's the whole point. The TMO had the info. Is he obliged to tell the ref
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ARHS said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Have posters seen the series of feature articles by Jared Wright on the Planet Rugby website? With the poor offerings from the NZ Rugby press and AB regime this year it is great to see such a learned and passionate researcher of international rugby offering so many great insights to promote positive and educated thinking. It appears that he may even be a new poster to this forum, researching perspectives from a wide variety of fans in preparation for release of his articles.
The same 'learned and passionate researcher' that tries to argue that Jordie actually knocked on and Mbonambi merely applied pressure to the ball for a legitimate try?
Even a partisan crowd went silent - they know what they saw.
You're assuming that the partisan crowd is up on the flowchart of what happens in this situation. Jeff Wilson can tell you where to find that chart. For what its worth, the flowchart would mean the try would have been awarded.
Was the partisan crowd correct in baying for a red card when Sam Cane broke Kolisis face? I haven't looked back in the thread, but as one eyed as you are I'm sure i'll find somewhere where that you think it was play on.@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ARHS said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Have posters seen the series of feature articles by Jared Wright on the Planet Rugby website? With the poor offerings from the NZ Rugby press and AB regime this year it is great to see such a learned and passionate researcher of international rugby offering so many great insights to promote positive and educated thinking. It appears that he may even be a new poster to this forum, researching perspectives from a wide variety of fans in preparation for release of his articles.
The same 'learned and passionate researcher' that tries to argue that Jordie actually knocked on and Mbonambi merely applied pressure to the ball for a legitimate try?
Even a partisan crowd went silent - they know what they saw.
You're assuming that the partisan crowd is up on the flowchart of what happens in this situation. Jeff Wilson can tell you where to find that chart. For what its worth, the flowchart would mean the try would have been awarded.
Was the partisan crowd correct in baying for a red card when Sam Cane broke Kolisis face? I haven't looked back in the thread, but as one eyed as you are I'm sure i'll find somewhere where that you think it was play on.According to Jason Ryan, the tmo checked it and said ‘glancing only’
Could always have been cited if it met the red card threshold
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BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
BTW Brace was unsighted. The only way to get around this is to ask the TMO " Is there any reason not to award try"
Yes, there was no way he could have seen the grounding
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@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
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@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
Upvote for effort but I’d prefer photoshops of their actual faces
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@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
Upvote for effort but I’d prefer photoshops of their actual faces
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MN5 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
Can someone make a shitty Scooby Doo meme with this ?
Upvote for effort but I’d prefer photoshops of their actual faces
you ask for shitty meme, you get shitty meme.
Photoshop is well beyond my skillz. Get someone with Chat GPT functionality to do that...
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@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
It's pretty strange when they make a big thing about having utility value in players and then use it in all the wrong ways. Like, it seems they couldn't get it more wrong every time they sub or even name a bench?
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
@Bones said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@gt12 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I can't believe it, the breakdown finally provides some actual data and some good points. Stopped clocks and all that, but Goldie is right, there is no reason for us to carry a winger on the bench when we could load up with another loosie or lock. I guess the counter point is that our back-ups aren't good enough, but we could get fresh legs out there while we still have 1st 5 cover with Dmac and Barrett. Seems a strange call by the coaches.
Someone is gonna pull Razor's mask off and it's Fozzie.
"I'd have got away with it, if it hadn't been for you pesky Ferners".
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One last thing about Mbonambis try-it doesn't matter whether the ball went backwards by the tiniest margin, or straight down or forwards or whether jordie was the only one touching it, dislodging it forwards.
The thing is, every person playing and watching rugby knows this is and should be ruled a knock on. I have not seen a single non South African on reddit say the try was awarded correctly, because you would expect this to be chalked off ten out of ten times, as it is the onus of the ball carrier to keep it under control. Similar to how Jordan knocked the ball on around 65 Mins or when that was, even if the ball went sideways.Was it Marius jonker on the bulls vs some. Aussie side in super rugby?
Anyways, Boks finished far better and did an 2012-2016 ABs on the ABs, so probably deserved the win at the end. Just.
