Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
FFS, Sititi had a few good games for the Chiefs this year but his rise is mirroring the Tongan thug's. Hopefully he turns into a better player than that flake.
He seems like a good kid with leadership qualities, my concern is it too much too early ?
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
FFS, Sititi had a few good games for the Chiefs this year but his rise is mirroring the Tongan thug's. Hopefully he turns into a better player than that flake.
He seems like a good kid with leadership qualities, my concern is it too much too early ?
Yeah, my post wasn't intended to be a direct criticism of him as such, more in his elevation to the team and remembering how the Tongan flake thug was also elevated off only a small CV.
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Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You have to go back to Adam Thompson to get the same lack of physicality. At least Thompson won turnovers, had genuine pace, and was a seriously good lineout operator.
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You forgot Isitolo Maka, Aran Pene and probably a couple of hundred irrelevant PIs.
Anyway, only one of those players is in the squad, and Blackadder has been playing better than him. -
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
FFS, Sititi had a few good games for the Chiefs this year but his rise is mirroring the Tongan thug's. Hopefully he turns into a better player than that flake.
He seems like a good kid with leadership qualities, my concern is it too much too early ?
Yeah, my post wasn't intended to be a direct criticism of him as such, more in his elevation to the team and remembering how the Tongan flake thug was also elevated off only a small CV.
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@brodean I have loved the Michael Jones and Ardie Savea type of 7s who are great runners. Richie was not as good but could do a job. Sam Cane in comparison was not good and seems a bit slow but he’s grown on me. He tackles well, and if he hits a heap of rucks then, I think he can do enough to contribute toward a good game for the team. Just don’t expect him to be a great runner.
I’m guessing they are hoping that if South Africa are looking to shut Ardies go forward down, then hopefully Satiti can provide another dynamic running game to split the defence.
@Boston-Boy said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@brodean I have loved the Michael Jones and Ardie Savea type of 7s who are great runners. Richie was not as good but could do a job. Sam Cane in comparison was not good and seems a bit slow but he’s grown on me. He tackles well, and if he hits a heap of rucks then, I think he can do enough to contribute toward a good game for the team. Just don’t expect him to be a great runner.
I’m guessing they are hoping that if South Africa are looking to shut Ardies go forward down, then hopefully Satiti can provide another dynamic running game to split the defence.
Wallace is definitely a ball carrier, let's hope he gets stuck in.
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You forgot Isitolo Maka, Aran Pene and probably a couple of hundred irrelevant PIs.
Anyway, only one of those players is in the squad, and Blackadder has been playing better than him.No he hasn't. Jacobson has more impact in defense and at the breakdown than Blackadder including this year for the ABs.
Jacobson is also a better back of the lineout ball winner than Blackadder.
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I was just going to ask, has LJ not played well for the ABs this year? Granted he didn't have many minutes...
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Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
The worst thing about Ryan and his love in for the thug is he's mentioned wanting him back even after watching the RWC final.
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Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You have to go back to Adam Thompson to get the same lack of physicality. At least Thompson won turnovers, had genuine pace, and was a seriously good lineout operator.
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You have to go back to Adam Thompson to get the same lack of physicality. At least Thompson won turnovers, had genuine pace, and was a seriously good lineout operator.
Elliot Dixon, Stephen Bates, Angus McDonald and ( most of all ) Rueben Thorne must feel stink reading this
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The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
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On Sititi, the guy has FAB written all over him, including the captaincy. The 'F' is the most import letter in that acronym though, I just hope like hell he plays well, it's a huge gamble and one that didn't have to be taken if they got the initial squad selection right.
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The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
Yeah I think @MN5 made the comparison not long ago. Not the worst comparison.
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@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
When rotation was in full swing (and worked well tbf).
Leon MacDonald started the next test between the sides in Dunedin at 10 if memory serves me right.
I think the peak of rotation started in 2006 - the whole 2 sides etc.
It was a little left field Mils starting there given he hadn’t played wing for the ABs prior. I don’t get too worked up when I see coaches trying stuff like that.
Rangi played 10 in the next fixture against the Boks but that was 3 weeks after this one. I think DC got injured in one of the Aussie matches in between those two Bok matches
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
When rotation was in full swing (and worked well tbf).
Leon MacDonald started the next test between the sides in Dunedin at 10 if memory serves me right.
I think the peak of rotation started in 2006 - the whole 2 sides etc.
It was a little left field Mils starting there given he hadn’t played wing for the ABs prior. I don’t get too worked up when I see coaches trying stuff like that.
Rangi played 10 in the next fixture against the Boks but that was 3 weeks after this one. I think DC got injured in one of the Aussie matches in between those two Bok matches
Yeah Carter broke his leg against the Wallabies in Sydney.
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
The worst thing about Ryan and his love in for the thug is he's mentioned wanting him back even after watching the RWC final.
@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
The worst thing about Ryan and his love in for the thug is he's mentioned wanting him back even after watching the RWC final.
Ah but one successful tackle in a RWC final is infinitybazillion times more than many current loosies. Ergo better player
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You have to go back to Adam Thompson to get the same lack of physicality. At least Thompson won turnovers, had genuine pace, and was a seriously good lineout operator.
Elliot Dixon, Stephen Bates, Angus McDonald and ( most of all ) Rueben Thorne must feel stink reading this
I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
It’s the chip kicks that killed us. The same chips that killed us when McAlister and Mauger rarely made it happen.
Exactly and we have done them for years, so it must be by design and it utterly rips my shit
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
It’s the chip kicks that killed us. The same chips that killed us when McAlister and Mauger rarely made it happen.
Exactly and we have done them for years, so it must be by design and it utterly rips my shit
I don’t think it’s by design as in some AB coach is saying, hey chip kick it. But there is a natural flair to it. Things you’ve tried in the backyard since you were a boy and then as you move up you try it some more. We’ve seen at super level over years.
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I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
A tonne squandered? Hyper-bowl
There’s probably 1 or 2 players (max) that could’ve been persisted with in the last 20 years. The rest fall into the category of unlucky timing, not quite there or form/injury issues.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
Yeah I think @MN5 made the comparison not long ago. Not the worst comparison.
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
Yeah I think @MN5 made the comparison not long ago. Not the worst comparison.
Broken clocks etc
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From a mate, which I posted back in early June
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
From a mate, which I posted back in early June
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.
and apparently 26 months since he played 4 games in a row.
I haven't checked this stat, but it sounds plausible
