Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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There isn’t much between the teams. Experience probably the telling factor.
Rassie has worked with this team and brought in fresh blood to a settled style for 7 years now. If Robertson is trying to embed his ethos, he is well behind Rassie and things take time.
Not sure if many remember what the ABs were like in 2004 when Henry, Hansen and Smith took over. They weren’t the great team they became. In fact, they were quite average.
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@MiketheSnow Boks are on top right now. But Rassie knows he has some major surgery to do to SA in next 2 years. This year was all about cementing their legacy with this group.
The young kids who've been playing in the URC the past two seasons are ready to go
I don't envisage the big drop off in performances that others are anticipating / expecting / hoping for
@MiketheSnow let’s see. There is a lot of experience in the old dogs. That only comes with time.
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There isn’t much between the teams. Experience probably the telling factor.
Rassie has worked with this team and brought in fresh blood to a settled style for 7 years now. If Robertson is trying to embed his ethos, he is well behind Rassie and things take time.
Not sure if many remember what the ABs were like in 2004 when Henry, Hansen and Smith took over. They weren’t the great team they became. In fact, they were quite average.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Not sure if many remember what the ABs were like in 2004 when Henry, Hansen and Smith took over. They weren’t the great team they became. In fact, they were quite average.
Okay, but we're they tucking idiots?
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There isn’t much between the teams. Experience probably the telling factor.
Rassie has worked with this team and brought in fresh blood to a settled style for 7 years now. If Robertson is trying to embed his ethos, he is well behind Rassie and things take time.
Not sure if many remember what the ABs were like in 2004 when Henry, Hansen and Smith took over. They weren’t the great team they became. In fact, they were quite average.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Not sure if many remember what the ABs were like in 2004 when Henry, Hansen and Smith took over. They weren’t the great team they became. In fact, they were quite average.
Yeah they made some big calls on the end of year tour and went with youth (Carter, So'oialo, Collins etc)
Let's see if Razor does the same
I'm not holding my breath
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@Victor-Meldrew no reliable kicker in international rugby, no winning.
ABs had the opportunity in 2nd half to go back in front and put pressure back on SA. They failed. That isn’t Robertson’s fault.
Ardie failing to secure the ball at the back of the maul after winning the lineout. Is that the coach’s fault? And then the team compounded it with a penalty with a reckless clear out to gift SA an exit.
Sevu Reece switching off in the corner, more interested in engaging the ref rather than watching Marx.
There are some players who have stood up. Lomax, Taylor, Williams, Va’ai, Cane, Sititi. Ratima was v good too.
The back line, which has been a source of strength for NZ is currently the weak link. The forwards are fronting up in the set piece and breakdown. They are winning enough ball, but the backs are not penetrating enough. In this area, there will be significant change.
Roigard will come back, 10 is up for grabs (let’s see if Mo’unga comes back too), centres has competition. The outside backs need a shakeup. NZ missed Clark today and someone at 15 who is a confident high ball catcher.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew no reliable kicker in international rugby, no winning.
ABs had the opportunity in 2nd half to go back in front and put pressure back on SA. They failed. That isn’t Robertson’s fault.
Who coaches the team on how and when to pressure the opposition?
Ardie failing to secure the ball at the back of the maul after winning the lineout. Is that the coach’s fault? And then the team compounded it with a penalty with a reckless clear out to gift SA an exit.
Who selects and coaches the team on how to do the basics and on the need for discipline when there's a need to put pressure on?
Great that injuries have allowed players like Sititi and Ratima to shine and Vaa'i has been a bit of a revelation but something clearly isn't working
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Ratima Jordan Sititi should have stayed on.
Mentally weak leadership in second half.
Have to try Canes Tosi Numia Proctor Love
Slow wingers don't work out -
Another pleasing performance by the forwards. Let down by shit kicking by the backs and a porous midfield defence. Reece needs to be dropped for the Marx try. It would have been OK had he been steamrolled, but that was terrible. Caleb Clarke missing big time
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Sititi played out of position and arguably had more impact than Blackadder.
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew no reliable kicker in international rugby, no winning.
ABs had the opportunity in 2nd half to go back in front and put pressure back on SA. They failed. That isn’t Robertson’s fault.
Who coaches the team on how and when to pressure the opposition?
Ardie failing to secure the ball at the back of the maul after winning the lineout. Is that the coach’s fault? And then the team compounded it with a penalty with a reckless clear out to gift SA an exit.
Who selects and coaches the team on how to do the basics and on the need for discipline when there's a need to put pressure on?
Great that injuries have allowed players like Sititi and Ratima to shine and Vaa'i has been a bit of a revelation but something clearly isn't working
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Can't wait for Plummer to be dropped from the squad without playing a game
The best 10 in Super Rugby this year
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Can't wait for Plummer to be dropped from the squad without playing a game
The best 10 in Super Rugby this year
Given he can play 2 positions, and kick goals, he may still be a chance.
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Sititi played out of position and arguably had more impact than Blackadder.
@nostrildamus shades of Jerry today
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@Tordah yep, that was a shocker by Reece. Let his team down today. Silly YC and bad switch off in second half to allow Boks to score. Add in the offside penalty he gave away and he was very costly.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Tordah yep, that was a shocker by Reece. Let his team down today. Silly YC and bad switch off in second half to allow Boks to score. Add in the offside penalty he gave away and he was very costly.
and a sloppy miracle pass I think?
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The next two matches are going to be very, very interesting
Razor obviously has a plan which for the most part is being let down by bad execution at critical times
Does he persevere with the personnel he has and hope they get it right?
Or does he bring in fresh faces to see if they can do any better?
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Ratima DMac Ioane JB Proctor Clarke Jordan/Love
Time for the young guys -
Ratima DMac Ioane JB Proctor Clarke Jordan/Love
Time for the young guys@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ratima DMac Ioane JB Proctor Clarke Jordan/Love
Time for the young guysIs Perofeta injured?
Is JB really doing that much?
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ratima DMac Ioane JB Proctor Clarke Jordan/Love
Time for the young guysIs Perofeta injured?
Is JB really doing that much?
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ratima DMac Ioane JB Proctor Clarke Jordan/Love
Time for the young guysIs Perofeta injured?
Is JB really doing that much?
Perofeta injury is the only reason Plummer has been called up
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@Victor-Meldrew come on Vic, that was a coach killer. Savea is one of NZ’s best players, but he has not been 2023 Savea this year. Too many switch off moments from him.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew come on Vic, that was a coach killer. Savea is one of NZ’s best players, but he has not been 2023 Savea this year. Too many switch off moments from him.
The coming apart all over the pitch in the last 20 minutes is too common to be anything but systemic.
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Ratima Jordan Sititi should have stayed on.
Mentally weak leadership in second half.
Have to try Canes Tosi Numia Proctor Love
Slow wingers don't work out@BerniesCorner weak leadership is very true.
Savea is a leader by action. He doesn’t strike me as a strategist. Scott and Jordie Barrett too. NZ need some thinkers in the team.
I think Proctor is a good shout. Feels like he is more in the mould of Conrad Smith than Tana Umaga.
NZ also need some smarts out wide, a la a Ben Smith.
