Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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On the subs
What I think the huge benefit to south africa is, because they do them so early, to the merriment of traditionalists (lol their starters can't even play 60)
When the whips are cracking at the death, their players are well settled in to the rhythm of the game, where as ours, on at a more "traditional" time, are still finding their feet. It's proving an enormous advantage.
Rassie may be a giant fuck wit, but he's on to something in a big way there.
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Well I expected that loss so wasn't as disappointed as otherwise (I'm still more gutted the Pies lost to the dollar bills baabaas).
Taylor was on fire, it's weird my liking of him as a player decreased through no fault of him, he kept getting selected by the coaches when playing cabbage, but that was vintage form from him.
The Boks appear to be Jordan's kryptonite based on this match and the RWC final. He just can't seem to impose himself as we expect. None of our back three were any good, I assume when I read back through the thread that the ire will mostly be directed at Telea, but even the best of them, Reece, was bloody average.
Reffing was a bit of a lottery, as expected, probably more down to style than anything else. Thought he changed the interpretation of ruck stoppages for the one where Marx scored, but we didn't lose due to the ref. I thought for sure that last penalty from DMac went over, but it was 3am so maybe my old man eyes weren't focusing very well.
All of our high kicks were uncontestable, all of theirs were contestable. Why do we bother doing them if we can't compete?
I thought Barrett was going to bring some leadership? I don't really see it.
Cane was slightly inaccurate at times but he was just hitting people and rucks all day. You can't watch that match and not see why even Razor is picking him.
Vai'i had another good match, and is very enthusiastic. Most of the pack went well - Williams, Lomax (card aside, and even then there wasn't much in that, it looked to me like he braced for impact rather than change his line) and the already mentioned players.
TJP just needs to keep his mouth shut now, but I'm not convinced he's worse than other players, but he's clearly being targeted by the refs now so he needs to zip it.
I watched the match with the sound off, it was quite a nice way to watch it, I could focus on plays and players without commentator hyping. Although there were some areas I was a bit confused, but still might be my new style of watching, especially when Nisbett is the commentator.
Well what a shit weekend of sport. At least the Warriors got 2 points.
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And that's old school thought too "oh they are our best players, playing well, leave them on".
We have for years railed against sub by numbers, but there does need to be more thought
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I think the centres need some work. NZ needs a 12 that will get them over the advantage line. DDA was immense today. Jordie was good, but he has been hot and cold this year. McKenzie needs an out ball at 12, like DC used to have with Nonu.
No you don’t. Jordie is great. Holds your backline together. He’s the load bearing Barrett. And so is his brother Scott.
Nah even as a Canes supporter I don't think Jordie is the answer long term, I'd be happy if he returned to fullback tbh where his ability under the high ball and his kicking game are way more of an asset. All Jordie does is run hard and straight and even then he doesn't always get over the gain line because he doesn't have power.. The ABs are so predictable because when Jordie decides to run you know he's going straight with his inability to step and evade defenders with silky footwork.
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On the subs
What I think the huge benefit to south africa is, because they do them so early, to the merriment of traditionalists (lol their starters can't even play 60)
When the whips are cracking at the death, their players are well settled in to the rhythm of the game, where as ours, on at a more "traditional" time, are still finding their feet. It's proving an enormous advantage.
Rassie may be a giant fuck wit, but he's on to something in a big way there.
@mariner4life it suits the Boks because they have 2 sets of tight fives that are of similar quality.
No other country comes close to their depth in this area. Possibly France.
Rassie chances it with his 6/2 or 7/1 splits, but until he cracks a mirror or runs over a black cat, his luck on injuries may well continue
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@BerniesCorner yep. ABs have lost half a test season now to work on their attacking patterns after jettisoning LM.
Starting tight forwards aren’t the issue for ABs to solve. EDG to start and TW from the bench, Samisoni as bench hooker. ABs need to find a replacement for Ofa who offers little from the bench. Darry or Lord from the bench until Holland is eligible.
Loose forward mix is still troubling, although Sititi brought some much needed power and go forward today. He has to be persevered with after that performance. The Jerry/Richie/Rodney backrow was not tall, but they were immense at the breakdown and around the park. I have a feeling that Sititi/DP/Savea is a combo I would like to see at some point. I really like the look of Segner and hope he will make the step up.
I think the centres need some work. NZ needs a 12 that will get them over the advantage line. DDA was immense today. Jordie was good, but he has been hot and cold this year. McKenzie needs an out ball at 12, like DC used to have with Nonu.
As for the back 3, NZ is blessed with outside backs, but the balance isn’t right. NZ, like under Henry, needs to pick some guys who are good at the basics like catching and chasing kicks. Clarke was doing exactly what was needed last week. Test rugby is about pressure - limit mistakes and force your opponent to make decisions under pressure.
I think it is time for some new blood too. Love has earned his chance. Can’t do worse than BB or WJ.
This is year 1 of a an IP rebuild having lost years of experience. Those with experience still playing have not filled the leadership vacuum that was created after 2023 WC final. If Coles, Retallick, Whitelock, Smith were still playing, ABs are winning one of these 2 tests IMO.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
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In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
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In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.
I agree, Robertson has done a really shit job with his specialist area
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.
I agree, Robertson has done a really shit job with his specialist area
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The "oh its not that bad south africa are so good" attitude astounds me. They weren't good today, they were good enough. We put them under huge pressure, they made so many errors, and we couldn't even get a try despite numerous opportunities. That was winnable and we did not.
We're not good enough and this highly touted coaching team is under huge pressure.
South Africa are being made to look waaaaaaaay better than they are. They are living such a charmed life. It looks like sour grapes from me but hear me out.
There are sections of this springbok team whose talents are way over blown.DDA and Kriel…..Smith and Nonu would school them every day of the week. We dealt with this pair for years with no problem.
Willie Le Roux…..we made a joke of him for years on end . He was just a professional ref whinger . Ben Smirh had him on toast.
Kolisi….if he was white , nobody would care about him. Nothing player. Tactical injury instigator, ref whisperer, and heads or tails caller.
Its just too nice to play the Allblacks these days. There is no Brad Thorn, Collins, Kaino, Mealamu street fighting types.
We are a fresh faced, easy on the eye paint by numbers team. We almost look like the NZ under 20’s.
We need a few horrible bastards.The 2015 vintage would wreck these springboks.
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@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
Careful. It might be a Bok trolling lure
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@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
Wouldn't mind someone like AJ Lam taking his spot in the squad tbh. He's versatile aswell which is a bonus.
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
Wouldn't mind someone like AJ Lam taking his spot in the squad tbh. He's versatile aswell which is a bonus.
Too many guys in the squad used to losing at the moment. We need to inject some youthful enthusiasm.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
@Canes4life sorry C4L I was trying to be facetious. I think Jordie is the kind of player the boks love playing against. If I had may way he’d be undroppable
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@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
Careful. It might be a Bok trolling lure
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Justin Marshall losing his voice in the post-match circle-jerk... too much sucking-off Bokke, or... has deliberately infected himself with COVID, and insinuating himself to interact with the Bokke as much as possible? Just 2 weeks too late, like a fucking idiot.
