Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Segner at 7? 6? -
In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies. -
In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.
I agree, Robertson has done a really shit job with his specialist area
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.
I agree, Robertson has done a really shit job with his specialist area
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The "oh its not that bad south africa are so good" attitude astounds me. They weren't good today, they were good enough. We put them under huge pressure, they made so many errors, and we couldn't even get a try despite numerous opportunities. That was winnable and we did not.
We're not good enough and this highly touted coaching team is under huge pressure.
South Africa are being made to look waaaaaaaay better than they are. They are living such a charmed life. It looks like sour grapes from me but hear me out.
There are sections of this springbok team whose talents are way over blown.DDA and Kriel…..Smith and Nonu would school them every day of the week. We dealt with this pair for years with no problem.
Willie Le Roux…..we made a joke of him for years on end . He was just a professional ref whinger . Ben Smirh had him on toast.
Kolisi….if he was white , nobody would care about him. Nothing player. Tactical injury instigator, ref whisperer, and heads or tails caller.
Its just too nice to play the Allblacks these days. There is no Brad Thorn, Collins, Kaino, Mealamu street fighting types.
We are a fresh faced, easy on the eye paint by numbers team. We almost look like the NZ under 20’s.
We need a few horrible bastards.The 2015 vintage would wreck these springboks.
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@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
Careful. It might be a Bok trolling lure
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@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
Wouldn't mind someone like AJ Lam taking his spot in the squad tbh. He's versatile aswell which is a bonus.
@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Hooroo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How fucking poke is Talea? Can’t and won’t tackle and can’t catch.
Wouldn't mind someone like AJ Lam taking his spot in the squad tbh. He's versatile aswell which is a bonus.
Too many guys in the squad used to losing at the moment. We need to inject some youthful enthusiasm.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
@Canes4life sorry C4L I was trying to be facetious. I think Jordie is the kind of player the boks love playing against. If I had may way he’d be undroppable
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@Canes4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
Careful. It might be a Bok trolling lure
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Justin Marshall losing his voice in the post-match circle-jerk... too much sucking-off Bokke, or... has deliberately infected himself with COVID, and insinuating himself to interact with the Bokke as much as possible? Just 2 weeks too late, like a fucking idiot.
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner Reiko from the bench would give real impact against tiring defences and cover for 11/13/14.
Clark and Jordan on the wings. Just need to find a fullback who is brave under the high ball, with a good boot and a sense of adventure to attack when the opportunity presents itself. Love maybe. What about Sullivan? Too raw?
I'm not sure about Sullivan but he should be tried, has size, and his boot could be useful
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner Reiko from the bench would give real impact against tiring defences and cover for 11/13/14.
Clark and Jordan on the wings. Just need to find a fullback who is brave under the high ball, with a good boot and a sense of adventure to attack when the opportunity presents itself. Love maybe. What about Sullivan? Too raw?
I'm not sure about Sullivan but he should be tried, has size, and his boot could be useful
We definitely need a few cannons in the team. Had my hopes up for Stevenson 18 months ago when he was scoring tries every week but apparently he tackles like a rhubarb tart.......although we still concede 30 odd every other week with Beaudy back there so can it be any worse.
Maybe if you are booting them back down into their corner you dont have to defend so much :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@nostrildamus didn’t even bait the hook
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First thing is, that was a SA team with major changes. They've beaten us twice with significantly different teams.
That game was a real step backwards for me, and I'm much more disappointed with that than the previous loss. Reason being we went back to box kicks (and even a defensive bomb FFS), and we couldn't contest. Meanwhile the Saffas put up contestable kicks, and we didn't protect our catchers anywhere near as well as they did. We were shit at that under Foster, and I'm really quite fucked off to see that we haven't improved in those areas at all.
Up front, not too bad. Scrum under pressure early. Cody Taylor was superb, even despite fucking up the last lineout - shoulda been subbed by then really. Lomax I thought was really good around the field, other than the card, which I thought should have been penalty only - and again he should have been subbed by then. He makes a lot of tackles, and has pretty sweet hands for a fatty. Williams holding his own which is enough for a young fella, he'll be an asset on the bench once de Groot is back. Did Ofa manage to play 10 minutes without getting penalised this week?
Tupou Vaai. Way to come right when we need you mate, best lock on the park for me.
Scott Barrett looked a bit better this week though still not quite full noise and that knock on was a fucking shocker.
Sititi was what I expected, got stuck in to his carries which was great, missed a bit on defence but played pretty well for a starting debut out of position in SA. Not good enough to be getting MOTM votes when Taylor, Vaai, Lomax, Cane all played the way they did though.
Savea, jeez I just don't know anymore.
Ratima was a huge upgrade on TJP, who was as expected shit when he came on. Experience does not equal composure.
McKenzie bit disappointing off the tee. He is still the guy who can shift the ball quick enough to get around the defence though.
Jordie a bit anonymous, Rieko underwhelming.
Telea pretty horrible, Reece too really - though TJ joining the maul deserves a mention for that Marx try.
The sky didn't fall with Jordan at fullback. Beauden added nothing.That ref is fucking hopeless, but he's no part of the reason for the loss. He was far better than last time we had him (Twickenham?) and a million times better than in whichever game it was at the WC where he made a fucking disgrace of himself.
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@nostrildamus he’s playing 7 for Auckland, so play him there. If Cane doesn’t go on EOYT, 7s should be DP, Segner and Savea to cover if needed.
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus he’s playing 7 for Auckland, so play him there. If Cane doesn’t go on EOYT, 7s should be DP, Segner and Savea to cover if needed.
Segner in front of Lakai?
Am not of the Canes Mafia, but I'd be leaning Lakai.
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In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.No. Think it was the right call. Think he'd gassed himself. Wasn't prominent in that period just prior to subbing.
You can see why they picked him. Both sides of the ball.
Edit: a future at 7? A Cane replacement who carries?
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First thing is, that was a SA team with major changes. They've beaten us twice with significantly different teams.
That game was a real step backwards for me, and I'm much more disappointed with that than the previous loss. Reason being we went back to box kicks (and even a defensive bomb FFS), and we couldn't contest. Meanwhile the Saffas put up contestable kicks, and we didn't protect our catchers anywhere near as well as they did. We were shit at that under Foster, and I'm really quite fucked off to see that we haven't improved in those areas at all.
Up front, not too bad. Scrum under pressure early. Cody Taylor was superb, even despite fucking up the last lineout - shoulda been subbed by then really. Lomax I thought was really good around the field, other than the card, which I thought should have been penalty only - and again he should have been subbed by then. He makes a lot of tackles, and has pretty sweet hands for a fatty. Williams holding his own which is enough for a young fella, he'll be an asset on the bench once de Groot is back. Did Ofa manage to play 10 minutes without getting penalised this week?
Tupou Vaai. Way to come right when we need you mate, best lock on the park for me.
Scott Barrett looked a bit better this week though still not quite full noise and that knock on was a fucking shocker.
Sititi was what I expected, got stuck in to his carries which was great, missed a bit on defence but played pretty well for a starting debut out of position in SA. Not good enough to be getting MOTM votes when Taylor, Vaai, Lomax, Cane all played the way they did though.
Savea, jeez I just don't know anymore.
Ratima was a huge upgrade on TJP, who was as expected shit when he came on. Experience does not equal composure.
McKenzie bit disappointing off the tee. He is still the guy who can shift the ball quick enough to get around the defence though.
Jordie a bit anonymous, Rieko underwhelming.
Telea pretty horrible, Reece too really - though TJ joining the maul deserves a mention for that Marx try.
The sky didn't fall with Jordan at fullback. Beauden added nothing.That ref is fucking hopeless, but he's no part of the reason for the loss. He was far better than last time we had him (Twickenham?) and a million times better than in whichever game it was at the WC where he made a fucking disgrace of himself.
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
First thing is, that was a SA team with major changes. They've beaten us twice with significantly different teams.
That game was a real step backwards for me, and I'm much more disappointed with that than the previous loss. Reason being we went back to box kicks (and even a defensive bomb FFS), and we couldn't contest. Meanwhile the Saffas put up contestable kicks, and we didn't protect our catchers anywhere near as well as they did. We were shit at that under Foster, and I'm really quite fucked off to see that we haven't improved in those areas at all.
Up front, not too bad. Scrum under pressure early. Cody Taylor was superb, even despite fucking up the last lineout - shoulda been subbed by then really. Lomax I thought was really good around the field, other than the card, which I thought should have been penalty only - and again he should have been subbed by then. He makes a lot of tackles, and has pretty sweet hands for a fatty. Williams holding his own which is enough for a young fella, he'll be an asset on the bench once de Groot is back. Did Ofa manage to play 10 minutes without getting penalised this week?
Tupou Vaai. Way to come right when we need you mate, best lock on the park for me.
Scott Barrett looked a bit better this week though still not quite full noise and that knock on was a fucking shocker.
Sititi was what I expected, got stuck in to his carries which was great, missed a bit on defence but played pretty well for a starting debut out of position in SA. Not good enough to be getting MOTM votes when Taylor, Vaai, Lomax, Cane all played the way they did though.
Savea, jeez I just don't know anymore.
Ratima was a huge upgrade on TJP, who was as expected shit when he came on. Experience does not equal composure.
McKenzie bit disappointing off the tee. He is still the guy who can shift the ball quick enough to get around the defence though.
Jordie a bit anonymous, Rieko underwhelming.
Telea pretty horrible, Reece too really - though TJ joining the maul deserves a mention for that Marx try.
The sky didn't fall with Jordan at fullback. Beauden added nothing.That ref is fucking hopeless, but he's no part of the reason for the loss. He was far better than last time we had him (Twickenham?) and a million times better than in whichever game it was at the WC where he made a fucking disgrace of himself.
Good point about Jordan. I was expecting some flashy injecting himself 15 move though - is that a powder dry coaching decision?
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.No. Think it was the right call. Think he'd gassed himself. Wasn't prominent in that period just prior to subbing.
You can see why they picked him. Both sides of the ball.
Edit: a future at 7? A Cane replacement who carries?
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.No. Think it was the right call. Think he'd gassed himself. Wasn't prominent in that period just prior to subbing.
You can see why they picked him. Both sides of the ball.
Some of the subs are ordinary and have had years to prove themselves
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus he’s playing 7 for Auckland, so play him there. If Cane doesn’t go on EOYT, 7s should be DP, Segner and Savea to cover if needed.
Segner in front of Lakai?
Am not of the Canes Mafia, but I'd be leaning Lakai.
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus he’s playing 7 for Auckland, so play him there. If Cane doesn’t go on EOYT, 7s should be DP, Segner and Savea to cover if needed.
Signer in front of Lakai?
Am not of the Canes Mafia, but I'd be leaning Lakai.
Have to try Lakai at some point. Segner might have more useful size against the bigger NH packs.
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On the subs
What I think the huge benefit to south africa is, because they do them so early, to the merriment of traditionalists (lol their starters can't even play 60)
When the whips are cracking at the death, their players are well settled in to the rhythm of the game, where as ours, on at a more "traditional" time, are still finding their feet. It's proving an enormous advantage.
Rassie may be a giant fuck wit, but he's on to something in a big way there.
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On the subs
What I think the huge benefit to south africa is, because they do them so early, to the merriment of traditionalists (lol their starters can't even play 60)
When the whips are cracking at the death, their players are well settled in to the rhythm of the game, where as ours, on at a more "traditional" time, are still finding their feet. It's proving an enormous advantage.
Rassie may be a giant fuck wit, but he's on to something in a big way there.
I don't know if it's a good comparison but it's a little bit like cricket where it is very difficult for a batsmen to come and and start hitting from ball one. He's much more likely to do well if he has a bit of time to get settled.
The Boks also make multiple changes at once with the same group of players coming on, so they don't lose their cohesion as those players know the gameplan and train specifically as a group of subs instead of them coming on one after the other or at random times.
Anyway, Razor was always going to be learning on the job given his inexperience at test level and he's been taught a few lessons by other international coaches so far, no more obvious than against Rassie and SA these past two weekends. He loves a good learning, I wonder what he has learnt from these two matches? Hopefully a lot.
