All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Let's hope we pump the Wallabies so we can try a few more players in that second test in Welly.
Literally the last venue to do that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Let's hope we pump the Wallabies so we can try a few more players in that second test in Welly.
Literally the last venue to do that.
We’re not facing a pumped up Ireland or Argentina.
We’re facing a broken, pathetic Wallabies team.
Less than a 50 point hiding should be considered a failure.
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i for one am just happy to see high performance rewarded. the same guys doing the same things every week being rewarded with the same spots
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Consistency. You can't say the coaches are blinking. They are locked in to this team, and they are sticking to it.Negatives
The fuck?
Jordan gets one game at 15, and then rissoled for the higher performing BBarrett.
Why are we carrying a small winger (playing poorly) on the bench when their move recently has been to move Rieko the wing for the last quarter?The same out of form so-called senior players are being continually rewarded with their starting spots despite basically stinking the joint out.
We will still pump the Wallabies and i expect them all to run riot, feel fucking great about themselves, and then get their asses handed to them up North. twas ever thus
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Negatives
The fuck?
Jordan gets one game at 15, and then rissoled for the higher performing BBarrett.
Why are we carrying a small winger (playing poorly) on the bench when their move recently has been to move Rieko the wing for the last quarter?I think they've picked what they think is their best available team. This is sort of a must win game to silence the punters.
Beaudy comes back in at fullback because Jordan was a bit anonymous vs the Boks, but more because Reece and Telea are struggling, so we need him to play wing.
Not sure why Sevu is on the bench. Maybe they're wanting to see ALB and Rieko together.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Negatives
The fuck?
Jordan gets one game at 15, and then rissoled for the higher performing BBarrett.
Why are we carrying a small winger (playing poorly) on the bench when their move recently has been to move Rieko the wing for the last quarter?I think they've picked what they think is their best available team. This is sort of a must win game to silence the punters.
Beaudy comes back in at fullback because Jordan was a bit anonymous vs the Boks, but more because Reece and Telea are struggling, so we need him to play wing.
Not sure why Sevu is on the bench. Maybe they're wanting to see ALB and Rieko together.
@Chris-B Agree, and we'll probably win, though writing the wallabies off on the basis of 40 terrible 2nd half minutes against Argentina is a little rich when we also lost to Argentina and had 2 x 20 terrible 2nd half minutes against SA.
If we win, then hopefully we see some meaningful change for game #2 - by which I don't mean give everyone in the squad a run, but look to the future and drop Cane, Savea, TJ, Beauden. Give Sititi a run in position. Aumua a start with the good props. Proctor another run. Jordan at fullback.
God forbid we lose, then we'll no doubt get largely the same team trotted out and continue to make no progress a la Foster. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Negatives
The fuck?
Jordan gets one game at 15, and then rissoled for the higher performing BBarrett.
Why are we carrying a small winger (playing poorly) on the bench when their move recently has been to move Rieko the wing for the last quarter?I think they've picked what they think is their best available team. This is sort of a must win game to silence the punters.
Beaudy comes back in at fullback because Jordan was a bit anonymous vs the Boks, but more because Reece and Telea are struggling, so we need him to play wing.
Not sure why Sevu is on the bench. Maybe they're wanting to see ALB and Rieko together.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy comes back in at fullback because Jordan was a bit anonymous vs the Boks, but more because Reece and Telea are struggling, so we need him to play wing.
That's what I think too. It looks to be more about who isn't selected as much as who is. You still need to have utility cover on the bench which is why Jacobson and ALB are there instead of Papalii and Proctor, for example. It also doesn't help when the VCs won't be subbed or moved to other positions.
A moot point if the subs get so little time on the field to make an impact.
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@Chris-B Agree, and we'll probably win, though writing the wallabies off on the basis of 40 terrible 2nd half minutes against Argentina is a little rich when we also lost to Argentina and had 2 x 20 terrible 2nd half minutes against SA.
If we win, then hopefully we see some meaningful change for game #2 - by which I don't mean give everyone in the squad a run, but look to the future and drop Cane, Savea, TJ, Beauden. Give Sititi a run in position. Aumua a start with the good props. Proctor another run. Jordan at fullback.
God forbid we lose, then we'll no doubt get largely the same team trotted out and continue to make no progress a la Foster.@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
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@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
@Chris-B Yup, which is why the A team then wholesale changes for the meaningless game approach is shit. You need to play most of the A team and introduce new players a couple at a time in big games.
Which is exactly what happens when injury forces a change, and is a big part of why injury has been our best selector for the last while.
Of course if you're doing it deliberately, then you can keep an experienced option on the bench, so it is less risky too.Foster did change pretty much everything for the Dunners test last year, which is why we nearly lost it and learned nothing about the players who participated in it. Changed 1, 2 ,3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
The only guys starting in the same positions as the first Bledisloe were Retallick and Savea.Please don't do that Razor.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The graphic:
I'm really starting to despair when I see Ardie keeps getting selected despite clear drop in form, the second best NZ 8 in Super Rugby forced to play blindside again because who knows why. Finau unceremoniously dumped. Another 7.5 on the bench in Jacobson. TJP with yet another opportunity to be penalised for yapping at the ref. And a winger on the bench ffs. The bright spot of Tosi getting a gig comes only because Newell is injured.
At this stage can anyone seriously say they've developed confidence above the hope?
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@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
@Chris-B That Ireland game proved to me conclusively that I could have been an AB.
David Hill came on for two minutes, didn't touch the ball, make a tackle, hit a ruck or do anything other than wander around aimlessly. All things I built my rugby career on.
Yet Ted never even picked up the phone
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Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
Jordan hardly showed pick me form in the last match. Love is injured. I assume Perofeta is still injured.
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
Jordan hardly showed pick me form in the last match. Love is injured. I assume Perofeta is still injured.
@Nepia and jordan might prove to not be up to it at international level...but i find it frustrating when when guys get one game (in this case a tough one against SA)...and thenBB gets yest another shot even though he wasn;t much better
give them 3-4 games before rotating
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@Nepia and jordan might prove to not be up to it at international level...but i find it frustrating when when guys get one game (in this case a tough one against SA)...and thenBB gets yest another shot even though he wasn;t much better
give them 3-4 games before rotating
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@Kiwiwomble
It is. But Jordan to wing is mainly because Telea and Reece kind of suck.@Frank which is fair....but some get to play their way into form...and other get chopped and changed around
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
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Rubbish backrow, TJ, Jacobson and Reece on the bench is a bit crap. Same Meh as the last few selections.
Ardie and Jordie are VERY lucky, neither have been in great form.
Weaker team this time so we should win by 30+ and all the coaches will say look, see, we were right! Then we'll get owned on the EOYT.
As predictable as it was earlier in the season when this stupid squad was selected.
