All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Chris-B Agree, and we'll probably win, though writing the wallabies off on the basis of 40 terrible 2nd half minutes against Argentina is a little rich when we also lost to Argentina and had 2 x 20 terrible 2nd half minutes against SA.
If we win, then hopefully we see some meaningful change for game #2 - by which I don't mean give everyone in the squad a run, but look to the future and drop Cane, Savea, TJ, Beauden. Give Sititi a run in position. Aumua a start with the good props. Proctor another run. Jordan at fullback.
God forbid we lose, then we'll no doubt get largely the same team trotted out and continue to make no progress a la Foster.@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
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@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
@Chris-B Yup, which is why the A team then wholesale changes for the meaningless game approach is shit. You need to play most of the A team and introduce new players a couple at a time in big games.
Which is exactly what happens when injury forces a change, and is a big part of why injury has been our best selector for the last while.
Of course if you're doing it deliberately, then you can keep an experienced option on the bench, so it is less risky too.Foster did change pretty much everything for the Dunners test last year, which is why we nearly lost it and learned nothing about the players who participated in it. Changed 1, 2 ,3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
The only guys starting in the same positions as the first Bledisloe were Retallick and Savea.Please don't do that Razor.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The graphic:
I'm really starting to despair when I see Ardie keeps getting selected despite clear drop in form, the second best NZ 8 in Super Rugby forced to play blindside again because who knows why. Finau unceremoniously dumped. Another 7.5 on the bench in Jacobson. TJP with yet another opportunity to be penalised for yapping at the ref. And a winger on the bench ffs. The bright spot of Tosi getting a gig comes only because Newell is injured.
At this stage can anyone seriously say they've developed confidence above the hope?
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@reprobate I think that will be more-or-less the plan. Bank the Bledisloe in Test 1 and then select with a bit more adventure in Test 2.
Problem with developing the ABs these days (which Fozzie also faced) is that there aren't the same number of easy games as there used to be. Play Fiji and you're playing a RWC QFinalist. Play Argentina you're playing a SFinalist.
Remember back in 2006 when SGH was able to split his squad - half played Ireland in NZ and the other half went to Argentina to play the famous hat-eating test!
Imagine trying that now.http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2127
http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2128
I think we should beat the Wallabies comfortably, but I haven't forgotten that we were well on the way to losing to them last year - took a late penalty to grab a narrow win.
@Chris-B That Ireland game proved to me conclusively that I could have been an AB.
David Hill came on for two minutes, didn't touch the ball, make a tackle, hit a ruck or do anything other than wander around aimlessly. All things I built my rugby career on.
Yet Ted never even picked up the phone
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Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
Jordan hardly showed pick me form in the last match. Love is injured. I assume Perofeta is still injured.
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Beaudy straight back in to fullback.
Dont really get it myself.
Id love him to prove me wrong but his goose looked cooked a long time ago.
Jordan hardly showed pick me form in the last match. Love is injured. I assume Perofeta is still injured.
@Nepia and jordan might prove to not be up to it at international level...but i find it frustrating when when guys get one game (in this case a tough one against SA)...and thenBB gets yest another shot even though he wasn;t much better
give them 3-4 games before rotating
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@Nepia and jordan might prove to not be up to it at international level...but i find it frustrating when when guys get one game (in this case a tough one against SA)...and thenBB gets yest another shot even though he wasn;t much better
give them 3-4 games before rotating
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@Kiwiwomble
It is. But Jordan to wing is mainly because Telea and Reece kind of suck.@Frank which is fair....but some get to play their way into form...and other get chopped and changed around
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
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Rubbish backrow, TJ, Jacobson and Reece on the bench is a bit crap. Same Meh as the last few selections.
Ardie and Jordie are VERY lucky, neither have been in great form.
Weaker team this time so we should win by 30+ and all the coaches will say look, see, we were right! Then we'll get owned on the EOYT.
As predictable as it was earlier in the season when this stupid squad was selected.
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
is it though? In the modern rugby environment, this is about as close to a nothing game as you can get. If we lose, we don't lose the Bledisloe, in fact we get a test at home to retain it. We can't win the RC. We are playing the 9th ranked team in the world, which in the recent past would see a veritable "B" team rolled out.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Exactly my point, it doesn't appear that anything has changed.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Probably
- but, we're fielding Sititi, Ratima, Aumua, Tosi and Darry - so 20 percent of the team is effectively newbies. -
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
is it though? In the modern rugby environment, this is about as close to a nothing game as you can get. If we lose, we don't lose the Bledisloe, in fact we get a test at home to retain it. We can't win the RC. We are playing the 9th ranked team in the world, which in the recent past would see a veritable "B" team rolled out.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Absolutely definitely without doubt a must win game. No coach wants to lose the first Bledisloe ever. Maybe new talent in game 2.
is it though? In the modern rugby environment, this is about as close to a nothing game as you can get. If we lose, we don't lose the Bledisloe, in fact we get a test at home to retain it. We can't win the RC. We are playing the 9th ranked team in the world, which in the recent past would see a veritable "B" team rolled out.
agreed...scrambling to win a bit of a dead rubber just to save some face...is a bit weak
especially as theyre not bring Sir Richie and DC out of retirement to win it...the safe option is to role out some guys largely out of form just because "experience"
question, what are the rules re the squad? are the actually bound by who they named originally?
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Rubbish backrow, TJ, Jacobson and Reece on the bench is a bit crap. Same Meh as the last few selections.
Ardie and Jordie are VERY lucky, neither have been in great form.
Weaker team this time so we should win by 30+ and all the coaches will say look, see, we were right! Then we'll get owned on the EOYT.
As predictable as it was earlier in the season when this stupid squad was selected.
