All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Probably
- but, we're fielding Sititi, Ratima, Aumua, Tosi and Darry - so 20 percent of the team is effectively newbies.Oh come on, Aumua is hardly a newbie haha. Sititi and Tosi are injury enforced and Darry wasn't even used last week.
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
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Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no fool@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no foolThe two weeks between this and the disgrace of giving up will have had them develop a siege mentality about proving they're not mentally weak/ doing the jersey justice/ line in the sand etc.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no foolThe two weeks between this and the disgrace of giving up will have had them develop a siege mentality about proving they're not mentally weak/ doing the jersey justice/ line in the sand etc.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Throwing this out there...Aussie could surprise us here- maybe not win ...probably not win but push us all the way.
Forget them v Pumas they won the first and got ahead of themselves - they will be up v us and might see us as fragile as them.
Joe Schmitt is no foolThe two weeks between this and the disgrace of giving up will have had them develop a siege mentality about proving they're not mentally weak/ doing the jersey justice/ line in the sand etc.
especially after the northern hemisphere had a real crack at them after that last loss as well
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@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
Doesn't make Aumua a newbie. He's been in the environment for years and what comes off the bench these days is just as important as the guys starting. Yes, the others are playing this game, more due to being injury enforced than anything else, and as we saw against the boks, the may not even get used.
Well yeah, not saying pick those guys for one second, but some guys could be moved on.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
Doesn't make Aumua a newbie. He's been in the environment for years and what comes off the bench these days is just as important as the guys starting. Yes, the others are playing this game, more due to being injury enforced than anything else, and as we saw against the boks, the may not even get used.
Well yeah, not saying pick those guys for one second, but some guys could be moved on.
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Form
in SRseems totally irrelevant now.Fixed it. A lot of these guys have been crap for ABs, but the same shit of selecting experience rather than a bit more on form.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Razor is Foster-lite
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Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
Reckon they'll stick with him and look for new 7 the next couple of years. Dunno who though.
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I like the team Schmidt has chosen. It's close to our strongest so far.
I don't think we will win but I wouldn't underestimate this team either. They are solid at set piece, a bit limited around the ground but they will give a good account of themselves.
I'll tip the ABs by 15 but it might be close at HT and I'd look at the odds of a Wallabies/All Blacks HT/FT double if you are that way inclined.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Let's face it most people are lighter than Foz
Yeah, that was my scalpel like witty point
@Machpants too incisive for me
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Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
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@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
Razor was always going to have to bring newbies in after the mass migration from post WC. I guess with all the hype of how great a coach he is he has had to try and balance getting the wins for us the public versus trying new things and players with a view to start building for 2027
