All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
I said on their own home patch. Unlike AB Canes who can't win in Wellington.
So surely they can take their winning game down the road a mere 8 hours.. -
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
I said on their own home patch. Unlike AB Canes who can't win in Wellington.
So surely they can take their winning game down the road a mere 8 hours.. -
The issue is clearly mental. It almost looks like it's become a block in that it's expected now, and the team struggles as it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Either that, or our fitness is just miles behind the others, which is the easiest way to explain it. The first half was embarrassing for Australia, we looked like we were playing minnows and just couldn't get the execution 100% to avoid it being a 40/50 nil half time score.
Second half it almost reversed. That can't have anything to do with physical skills / ability. It has to be the top two inches.
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The issue is clearly mental. It almost looks like it's become a block in that it's expected now, and the team struggles as it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Either that, or our fitness is just miles behind the others, which is the easiest way to explain it. The first half was embarrassing for Australia, we looked like we were playing minnows and just couldn't get the execution 100% to avoid it being a 40/50 nil half time score.
Second half it almost reversed. That can't have anything to do with physical skills / ability. It has to be the top two inches.
@MajorRage
We don’t use our bench very well either, so it could be fitness or fitness plus bench usage.
Let me put it this way - I highly doubt that the Springbok forwards are fitter than ours (as a collective), but a 6-2 bench and early substitutions makes a world of difference there.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
If you are going to play a lock at 6 it should be Vaa'i. But why?
Um, and if we want a 6 / lock, there's a fucking guy there!
Finau isn't dead.
There are seven loosies in current squad.
Scraggers: RD, Blackadder, Sititi, Papali'i
Shoulders: Cane, Finau, Jacobson
We ought to have one of the latter group on the field at all times.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
If you are going to play a lock at 6 it should be Vaa'i. But why?
Um, and if we want a 6 / lock, there's a fucking guy there!
Finau isn't dead.
There are seven loosies in current squad.
Scraggers: RD, Blackadder, Sititi, Papali'i
Shoulders: Cane, Finau, Jacobson
We ought to have one of the latter group on the field at all times.
Ideally 2 with shoulders.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
Hohepa ? Nah, he can't tackle.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
Hohepa ? Nah, he can't tackle.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
Hohepa ? Nah, he can't tackle.
Is that the same guy who play 10 for the Sith? Surprised he's missed out.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
Hohepa ? Nah, he can't tackle.
Is that the same guy who play 10 for the Sith? Surprised he's missed out.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
Hohepa ? Nah, he can't tackle.
Is that the same guy who play 10 for the Sith? Surprised he's missed out.
Poihipi is injured.
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it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
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it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
Maybe it's the roles within the duos. Little and Bunce also quite different compared to their current counterparts. Ideally you need one distributor and one hard runner, whether they play in 12 or 13
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
it probably says more about my knowledge about different positions than anything i find is so strange that we often talk about locks playing 6 or visa versa, or 10-15's....but there are very few that we're happy to play both 12 and 13.....in my obviously uneducated mind they seem much similar than tight and loose forward or 10 and 15
we also seem very stuck in the type of midfielders we want...i struggle to see Reiko and conrad smith as the same type of player....or nonu and JB....are we not versatile enough or has the game change so much that those legends wouldn't work as well
Maybe it's the roles within the duos. Little and Bunce also quite different compared to their current counterparts. Ideally you need one distributor and one hard runner, whether they play in 12 or 13
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@canefan thats what i was thinking but then when say someone suggests a 13 at 12....the question doesnt seem to be "who do we need outside to compliment him"....its more "wow...calm down with the radical ideas"
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan thats what i was thinking but then when say someone suggests a 13 at 12....the question doesnt seem to be "who do we need outside to compliment him"....its more "wow...calm down with the radical ideas"
It depends on whether the suggested guy is a midfielder, or a fullback or 10 trying to play midfield...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350419172/sam-cane-play-100th-all-blacks-test-new-zealand-swansong
Hopefully we'll get more than 4 carries and 5 tackles from him in his ton game. Waste of time we need to look to the future
