All Blacks 2024
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Also, Todd Blackadder is remembered for grossly underachieving given the players and resources at his disposal.
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Also, Todd Blackadder is remembered for grossly underachieving given the players and resources at his disposal.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Also, Todd Blackadder is remembered for grossly underachieving given the players and resources at his disposal.
And he was robbed in 2014 and would have likely won it had they been able to play at home in the earthquake year.
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@Landers92 highlighting that Chay not selected as a 12.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 highlighting that Chay not selected as a 12.
Yes, we are so short of outside backs now Jordie is broken...
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@Victor-Meldrew I disagree with the premise, I think we've been all over the place but I don't think we've got worse from test to test.
30 minutes into the most recent test we were looking totally dominant and everyone was going 'ah yeah we're destroying them (but it's just the wallabies)'. The first half in SA was the best rugby I've seen from us this year. Argentina loss 2nd half was the worst. So I don't think there is any sort of consistent deterioration in performance - though there are certainly problems that are recurring and have not yet been solved.On field leadership I do think is a problem - we've lost Smith, Retallick and Whitelock - which really is a big deal. I don't think Scott Barrett is a great captain (or playing very well), I don't think TJ or BB are calm enough under pressure to be good leaders - and of course TJ and Cane are both in their last year.
Now of course the coach does choose the captain and the leadership group, but it's inarguably a lesser pool of leadership players that he has to draw from, and it's the young guys who have largely been leading the way with performance (Taylor the exception).Our selection and use of the bench has been shit - that's on the coach - and is a sizeable factor in the last 20 performance. Inexperience form the young guys, a lack of composure and leadership form the old guys, and trying to implement a new game plan under pressure (SA not Oz) and fatigue and subs means that last period of the game is the toughest to get right. To be fair, they are trying things - not the changes I would advocate, but I don't think it is being ignored.
Our kick chase and (lack of) protection for our kick receivers is the thing that grates on me as not being addressed.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
30 minutes into the most recent test we were looking totally dominant and everyone was going 'ah yeah we're destroying them (but it's just the wallabies)'. The first half in SA was the best rugby I've seen from us this year. Argentina loss 2nd half was the worst. So I don't think there is any sort of consistent deterioration in performance - though there are certainly problems that are recurring and have not yet been solved.
You could say exactly the same thing about the ABs two years ago so that's a bit revisionist. Dominant in the first half, crap in the second.- Twickenham 2022. The second 40 minutes of Argentina and last Saturday are some of the worst AB performances you'll see and it's happening more often.
If the current coaching setup was chosen so carefully and is so much better, why haven't we progressed? (And I'm not buying the loss of players argument. Vaai and Ratima have stepped into big shoes really well)
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
This shifting goalposts argument was expected.
For the last four years, it was a shitty coach.
Now it is shitty players.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
This shifting goalposts argument was expected.
For the last four years, it was a shitty coach.
Now it is shitty players.
Which is probably closer to the truth.
Should be looking at player development at senior levels rather than simply blaming/dumping all the problems at the head coaching door.
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
Not sure that was true for this game.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6036/sf-crusaders-good-v-blues-evil/28?page=2
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So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
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So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
Well, that’s certainly never happened to an AB coach before.
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So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
He is the high performance coach and mentor for the men’s and women’s coaches.
I highly doubt this would be his first involvement with those teams since his role started.
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So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Beating Australia comfortably is what we should be doing regardless of who is there. They're hopeless.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
@canefan you sound like a very knowledgeable and level headed person.
How do you actually think they’re going?
Bar the Argentina result. Which was terrible. Argentina have since shown they’re actually decent.
Losing by 4 & 6 points in SA was better than I thought they’d do.
I think everyone looked at the score in Australia’s loss to Argentina and thought we’d destroy them in Sydney. I didn’t hear until after , that most of the Aussies had food poisoning. -
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
If he can help a struggling coach, it really doesn't matter for me. As I said on another thread, good on Robertson for asking for help.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
He is the high performance coach and mentor for the men’s and women’s coaches.
I highly doubt this would be his first involvement with those teams since his role started.
@DaGrubster I agree. He’s definitely been there already this year. Media only report what they want remember.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Beating Australia comfortably is what we should be doing regardless of who is there. They're hopeless.
@African-Monkey but they’ve definitely improved under Joe.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
If he can help a struggling coach, it really doesn't matter for me. As I said on another thread, good on Robertson for asking for help.
@Victor-Meldrew I don’t think Razor has asked for help. I’d say Smith was always going to be there. Like he has already this season.
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@African-Monkey but they’ve definitely improved under Joe.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey but they’ve definitely improved under Joe.
I think the concern would lie more in the 53-0 deficit in the last 20 minutes of games in The Rugby Championship rather than specifically the game last Saturday.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey but they’ve definitely improved under Joe.
I think the concern would lie more in the 53-0 deficit in the last 20 minutes of games in The Rugby Championship rather than specifically the game last Saturday.
@KiwiMurph yeah it’s a worry.
To me it seems like they stop trying to score tries thru strikes etc. They were breaking Aussie at will in the first half. The second it was like they were trying to protect their lead. Some bad discipline with yellow cards. I personally didn’t think Sevu knocked it on. -
@canefan you sound like a very knowledgeable and level headed person.
How do you actually think they’re going?
Bar the Argentina result. Which was terrible. Argentina have since shown they’re actually decent.
Losing by 4 & 6 points in SA was better than I thought they’d do.
I think everyone looked at the score in Australia’s loss to Argentina and thought we’d destroy them in Sydney. I didn’t hear until after , that most of the Aussies had food poisoning.@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan you sound like a very knowledgeable and level headed person.
How do you actually think they’re going?
Bar the Argentina result. Which was terrible. Argentina have since shown they’re actually decent.
Losing by 4 & 6 points in SA was better than I thought they’d do.
I think everyone looked at the score in Australia’s loss to Argentina and thought we’d destroy them in Sydney. I didn’t hear until after , that most of the Aussies had food poisoning.It's been a tough introduction for the new coaching group. On the plus side they appear to have unearthed some nice talent in Sititi, Ratima, Darry. Vaaii is coming along nicely and Clarke is in sparkling form. We competed well in SA , especially in game 1. On the negative side, the old heads are letting the team down. BB, Ardie, TJP, ALB among others are not playing consistently well, and when they are playing poorly they are hurting the team. Our bench isn't helping at all, it's either a personnel issue, strategy or a failure to manage the subs well, or a combination of all.
Barrett is still trying to settle into the captaincy and I'm not sure it's affecting his play. The panel don't seem to have settled on the back row, the back 3, and we seem to be trying too hard and lacking control when it comes to dictating the game to the opposition.Lots of work to do, glimpses of something that could be very good. I'm hoping to see more clarity in selection moving forward to EOYT
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@KiwiMurph yeah it’s a worry.
To me it seems like they stop trying to score tries thru strikes etc. They were breaking Aussie at will in the first half. The second it was like they were trying to protect their lead. Some bad discipline with yellow cards. I personally didn’t think Sevu knocked it on.The Reece non-try call was a fucking shocker.
In the second half do you think they just never got set for strikes?
We had one golden opportunity and Ardie fucked it up.
The rest were pretty long range - I haven t seen the stats but did we get many visits where we didn’t fuck up the set piece?
