2024 NZ Schools Rugby
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@Mauss One of the NZ Schools locks has been ruled out through injury and Johnny Falloon from Rathkeale has been called in from Barbarians. He is a big 6' 7" fellow and has some heft about him - but can be absent at times in a match. Aerially he has a lot of work to do. Because of his size - Rathkeale struggled to lift him as they didn't have the units to do so for the entire match.
I'm surprised that George Prouting from NBHS was not named in any side. Best lock I have seen play in person this year. Great in the air. Massive ticker and works hard the entire game. Tocker definitely more of a 6 and tends to go missing at times. His pace however is incredible. He can really move.
@BMR323 Cheers for the update. Do you know which one of the NZ Schools locks has been ruled out?
I haven't seen much of Prouting specifically, but watching Napier Boys his workrate did stand out. You'd expect a player like that to at least make the Barbarians U18s.
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@Mauss One of the NZ Schools locks has been ruled out through injury and Johnny Falloon from Rathkeale has been called in from Barbarians. He is a big 6' 7" fellow and has some heft about him - but can be absent at times in a match. Aerially he has a lot of work to do. Because of his size - Rathkeale struggled to lift him as they didn't have the units to do so for the entire match.
I'm surprised that George Prouting from NBHS was not named in any side. Best lock I have seen play in person this year. Great in the air. Massive ticker and works hard the entire game. Tocker definitely more of a 6 and tends to go missing at times. His pace however is incredible. He can really move.
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I'll put this team in here as they play the Māori U18s.
For the first time, under 20 age-grade players from across the Heartland Unions will compete in against New Zealand Māori Under 18 Ngā Whatukura in Hamilton on Sunday 6th October.
The newly formed New Zealand Heartland Under 20 team has been named and includes players from each of the 12 Heartland Provincial Unions. Whanganui Coach, Todd Cowan will head the team alongside Assistant Coach James White (King Country).
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I was interested in taking a closer look at Liam Van Der Heyden’s scrum performances, because it could vary from being very dominant (for example, against Tauranga Boys’ College) to being severely under pressure (against Napier Boys’ High School).
After looking at a lot of Hamilton scrums, I personally feel that the crucial moment for Van Der Heyden seems to occur at the moment of the engage. If Van Der Heyden wins the hit and forces the opposing loosehead to scrum at his preferred (high) height, he is able to use his considerable mass to simply overpower his opponent, forcing the loosehead to come up while still moving forward himself. The problems usually occur when he faces short and sturdy looseheads – such as Damian Annandale of Napier Boys’ or Palmerston North Boys’ Sione Taeiloa) who are able to force Van Der Heyden to scrum lower or are able to use footwork in order to shift the big Hamilton tighthead’s weight across. When this occurs, Van Der Heyden does tend to be a bit passive as he is not yet able to quickly find solutions for when this happens, like attacking the seam between the loosehead and hooker, shifting his own bind and weight, or using footwork to reassert physical dominance.
By no means do I want to claim that these are easy adjustments to make. Nick Bishop recently wrote a pretty interesting piece (https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/turnaround-tyrel-epitomises-the-foggy-state-of-the-bledisloe-cup/) where he shows some good examples of how Lomax (a tall tighthead) combatted someone like Nche (pretty much the prototype of the short, powerful loosehead). While it’s difficult to reconstruct exactly what Lomax does to reassert superiority over Nche, it does appear to be a combination of seam/bind/footwork.
It would be ridiculous to expect a Y12 prop like Van Der Heyden to show a wiliness similar to that of a 28 year old AB tighthead (although you could see the young tighthead trying certain things here and there, for example, by turning more inwards when pressured by the New Plymouth Boys’ High loosehead and hooker). If Australia U18 has a short powerful loosehead, the reality is that the NZ Schools scrum might struggle a bit (I don’t think Jennings, the Southland Boys’ tighthead, would solve these issues either). But Van Der Heyden has so many qualities (fitness, work-rate, terrific presence in the maul, breakdown threat, carry, solid shoulder in the tackle) for such a big body, that you would take the occasional scrum penalty in order to ensure he gets plenty of minutes on the field. He is a special player.
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I was interested in taking a closer look at Liam Van Der Heyden’s scrum performances, because it could vary from being very dominant (for example, against Tauranga Boys’ College) to being severely under pressure (against Napier Boys’ High School).
After looking at a lot of Hamilton scrums, I personally feel that the crucial moment for Van Der Heyden seems to occur at the moment of the engage. If Van Der Heyden wins the hit and forces the opposing loosehead to scrum at his preferred (high) height, he is able to use his considerable mass to simply overpower his opponent, forcing the loosehead to come up while still moving forward himself. The problems usually occur when he faces short and sturdy looseheads – such as Damian Annandale of Napier Boys’ or Palmerston North Boys’ Sione Taeiloa) who are able to force Van Der Heyden to scrum lower or are able to use footwork in order to shift the big Hamilton tighthead’s weight across. When this occurs, Van Der Heyden does tend to be a bit passive as he is not yet able to quickly find solutions for when this happens, like attacking the seam between the loosehead and hooker, shifting his own bind and weight, or using footwork to reassert physical dominance.
By no means do I want to claim that these are easy adjustments to make. Nick Bishop recently wrote a pretty interesting piece (https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/turnaround-tyrel-epitomises-the-foggy-state-of-the-bledisloe-cup/) where he shows some good examples of how Lomax (a tall tighthead) combatted someone like Nche (pretty much the prototype of the short, powerful loosehead). While it’s difficult to reconstruct exactly what Lomax does to reassert superiority over Nche, it does appear to be a combination of seam/bind/footwork.
It would be ridiculous to expect a Y12 prop like Van Der Heyden to show a wiliness similar to that of a 28 year old AB tighthead (although you could see the young tighthead trying certain things here and there, for example, by turning more inwards when pressured by the New Plymouth Boys’ High loosehead and hooker). If Australia U18 has a short powerful loosehead, the reality is that the NZ Schools scrum might struggle a bit (I don’t think Jennings, the Southland Boys’ tighthead, would solve these issues either). But Van Der Heyden has so many qualities (fitness, work-rate, terrific presence in the maul, breakdown threat, carry, solid shoulder in the tackle) for such a big body, that you would take the occasional scrum penalty in order to ensure he gets plenty of minutes on the field. He is a special player.
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The Australia U18 squad has been named today (see @Bovidae's post).
I've only been able to read some reports of the trial between Australia U18 and the ASRU Schools side, there was no video footage freely available. I was surprised the trial games were so close, I was expecting the U18s to comfortably blow out the Schools side. So either the Schools team is better than expected or there might be some issues with the U18 side.
The standouts of the U18 team seem to be in the loose forwards and the backline, with the most high-profile athletes seemingly destined to end up in the NRL: the number 8, Heinz Lemoto (Penrith Panthers), the winger Heamasi Makasini (Wests Tigers) and the fullback Rex Bassingthwaite (Sydney Roosters).
There are some rugby league highlights available of Lemoto:
It doesn't really say much of his ability in the upcoming games, but, if anything, he should be a handful to tackle. I wasn't always convinced of some of the individual defensive efforts of the NZ Schools loosies, so Lemoto might have a good impact.
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The Australia U18 squad has been named today (see @Bovidae's post).
I've only been able to read some reports of the trial between Australia U18 and the ASRU Schools side, there was no video footage freely available. I was surprised the trial games were so close, I was expecting the U18s to comfortably blow out the Schools side. So either the Schools team is better than expected or there might be some issues with the U18 side.
The standouts of the U18 team seem to be in the loose forwards and the backline, with the most high-profile athletes seemingly destined to end up in the NRL: the number 8, Heinz Lemoto (Penrith Panthers), the winger Heamasi Makasini (Wests Tigers) and the fullback Rex Bassingthwaite (Sydney Roosters).
There are some rugby league highlights available of Lemoto:
It doesn't really say much of his ability in the upcoming games, but, if anything, he should be a handful to tackle. I wasn't always convinced of some of the individual defensive efforts of the NZ Schools loosies, so Lemoto might have a good impact.
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@Mauss They looked to have split their U18 teams for those trial games with Australia U18 Gold the stronger (based on results).
@Bovidae You can find the lineups of the Australia U18 Gold and Green teams for the trials here:
https://xplorer.rugby/rugby-au-academyThere was some cross-over of the Gold and Green teams, as several players of the Green team were on the Gold U18 bench against the ASRU Schools team. Most of the players who didn't make the cut were in team Green, all starting players of Gold U18 seem to have been selected.
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So it looks like Tevita Tatafu is the lock that is injured for NZ Schools? I'd say that's a pretty big loss for the team as I presumed he would be both the primary target in the lineout as well as the caller. Makes sense that they've gone for Tocker at blindside as a good lineout target, although that might put some more pressure on the breakdown.
Bronson Van Der Heyden also seems like a new addition to the Barbarian U18s. They should provide a good challenge for the Australia U18s.
It looks like the games will be livestreamed on NZ Rugby's Youtube channel.
I won't be able to watch the games live, unfortunately, but hopefully they'll just be available for replay afterwards.
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So it looks like Tevita Tatafu is the lock that is injured for NZ Schools? I'd say that's a pretty big loss for the team as I presumed he would be both the primary target in the lineout as well as the caller. Makes sense that they've gone for Tocker at blindside as a good lineout target, although that might put some more pressure on the breakdown.
Bronson Van Der Heyden also seems like a new addition to the Barbarian U18s. They should provide a good challenge for the Australia U18s.
It looks like the games will be livestreamed on NZ Rugby's Youtube channel.
I won't be able to watch the games live, unfortunately, but hopefully they'll just be available for replay afterwards.
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Australia U18
1 Kingsley Uys - The Southport School
2 John Grenfell - Nudgee College
3 Edwin Langi - Eastern Suburbs Rugby Club
4 Will Ross - Padua College
5 Isaac Fonua - The King's School
6 Eli Langi - Brisbane State High School
7 Tom Robinson (c) - UQ Rugby Club
8 Heinz Lemoto - The Scots College
9 Angus Grover - St Igantius College, Riverview
10 Jonty Fowler - St Joseph's College
11 Heamasi Makasini - Newington College
12 Josh Takai - Brothers Rugby Club
13 Frankie Goldsbrough (vc) - Easts Rugby Club
14 Tom Howard - Marist College Ashgrove
15 Rex Bassingthwaighte - The Shore SchoolReserves
16 Ewald Kruger - GPS Rugby Club
17 Nick Hill - Barker College
18 Jonah Rangiwai - The Southport School
19 Avery Thomson - GPS Rugby Club
20 Luca Cleverley - Newington College
21 Sam Blank - St Augustine's College
22 Finn Mackay - St Laurence's College
23 Zach Fittler - The Scots College
