All Blacks EOYT

Canes4life

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Would be cool to see this team vs Japan:

Williams
Aumua
Tosi
Tuipolotu
Darry
Blackadder
Papali’i
Sotutu
Roigard/Ratima
Plummer
Telea
ALB
Proctor
Jordan
Love
Bell
Numia
Newell
Barrett
Lakai
Roigard/Ratima
McKenzie
Havili

MN5

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Would be cool to see this team vs Japan:

Williams

Aumua

Tosi

Tuipolotu

Darry

Blackadder

Papali’i

Sotutu

Roigard/Ratima

Plummer

Telea

ALB

Proctor

Jordan

Love

Bell

Numia

Newell

Barrett

Lakai

Roigard/Ratima

McKenzie

Havili

Bro…..

nostrildamus

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Would be cool to see this team vs Japan:

Williams

Aumua
hmm, needs some work

Tosi
Still not Lomax scrumming level but ok

Tuipolotu
not for 80 minutes

Darry
yes!

Blackadder
Do they have good smash repair shops over there?

Papali’i
ok, or Lakai

Sotutu
hmmm

Roigard/Ratima
sure

Plummer
yes but probably off bench

Telea
that ship has ~~sailed~~ floundered

ALB
ok

Proctor
ok

Jordan
for Love? Ok

Love
Prob off bench but your bench is um, a bit Barrett and Havili-heavy. Doesn't Perofeta deserve a relook?

Bell

Numia

Newell

Barrett

Lakai

Roigard/Ratima

McKenzie

Havili

sparky

Gee, it going to be tough playing an angry, hungry, fresh England at Twickenham from 15:10 GMT on Saturday November 2nd.

Then, then playing an angry, hungry, fresh Ireland at the Aviva from 20:10 GMT on Friday November 8th.

Crazy scheduling to agree to that.

Jet

Squad needs freshening up.

Id be looking at Lakai, Sotutu, Hotham, an outside back, and maybe another bolter or two.

DaGrubster

@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:

Squad needs freshening up.

Id be looking at Lakai, Sotutu, Hotham, an outside back, and maybe another bolter or two.

Agreed, get rid of Cane, TJP, rest Savea

Jet

@DaGrubster said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:

Squad needs freshening up.

Id be looking at Lakai, Sotutu, Hotham, an outside back, and maybe another bolter or two.

Agreed, get rid of Cane, TJP, rest Savea

Lakai for Cane, Sotutu for one of Jacobsen, Finau, Paps or Blackadder. Hotham for TJ, with Roigard getting 3rd spot.

Then maybe a Narawa or Kneepkens or Zarn for a bit of zest.

barky1

@Jet Finau definitely didn't make the most if his chances. Telea seems to have lost his confidence. Maybe coaches should have given him NPC game time. Narawa in his place

sparky

Trying to put together a tour squad.

Props: De Groot, Williams, Numia, Lomax, Tosi, Newell

Hookers: Taylor, Aumua, Bell

Locks: Vaa'i, Darry, S Barrett, Patty T, Lord

Back Row: Sititi, Blackadder, Papalii, Sotutu, Lakai, Jacobson (Send Ardie Savea on the All Blacks XV tour as Captain and hope he come back in better sorts in 2025)

Half Back: Ratima, Roigard, Hotham

First Five: DMac, B Barrett, Plummer

Midfield: ALB, R. Ioane, Proctor, J. Barrett, AJ Lam

Back Three: Clarke, Telea, Reece, Jordan, Love

Tim

Papalii, Sotutu, Savea, Sititi, Lakai, someone new.

sparky

@Tim Segner?

Tim

@sparky At least a year away. Need a big body for 6 and 8.

Mr Fish

Assuming the All Blacks follow a similar approach to 2022, I'm expecting something along the lines of the below...

All Blacks (37)
Hookers (3): Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua, George Bell
Props (6): Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tosi
Locks (4): Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Sam Darry, Patrick Tuipulotu
Loose forwards (7): Wallace Sititi, Dalton Papali'i, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Ethan Blackadder, Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson
Halfbacks (3): Cortez Ratima, Cam Roigard, Finlay Christie
First fives (3): Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Harry Plummer
Midifeld (5): Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Billy Proctor
Wings (4): Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa, Mark Tele'a, Sevu Reece
Fullbacks (2): Will Jordan, Stephen Perofeta

All Blacks XV (28)
Hookers (2): Ricky Riccitelli, Kurt Eklund
Props (5): Xavier Numia, George Bower, Aidan Ross, Marcel Renata, Saula Ma'u
Locks (3): Josh Lord, Fabian Holland, Max Hicks
Loose forwards (6): Cullen Grace, Cameron Suafoa, Malachi Wrampling, Peter Lakai, Hugh Renton, Hoskins Sotutu
Halfbacks (2): Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
First fives (1): Josh Jacomb
Midfield (3): Rameka Poihipi, Quinn Tupaea, Dallas McLeod, AJ Lam
Wings (4): Gideon Wrampling, Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Kini Naholo
Fullbacks (2): Ruben Love, Zarn Sullivan

Unavailable: Samisoni Taukei'aho

After the All Blacks XV finish their tour, I'd expect Xavier Numia, Josh Lord, Peter Lakai, Noah Hotham and Ruben Love to join the All Blacks for their final two matches against France and Italy, and likely all getting an appearance off the bench in that final game. There's not much point those guys travelling with the full squad from the get-go when they're unlikely to get minutes, and there are already guys in the full squad who are more or less just holding tackle bags each week. It's possible that some of the XV guys travel to Japan too.

Is there a massive advantage to taking Finlay Christie over Noah Hotham? Not really, but Hotham is better off getting two starts for the XV against Munster and Georgia rather than just training with the All Blacks, especially when he's already been in camp with them so he's familiar with the environment already. It's a similar story for Love and Lord.

I suspect that Razor will take Sam Cane, just because he'll be gunning for at least four wins on the tour - which means beating two out of England, Ireland and France. Cane is tailor-made for those games.

Japan will be used as a chance to give guys minutes who either a) need some game time in key positions to get up to speed ahead of the three consecutive games against England, Ireland and France (e.g. Damian McKenzie, Codie Taylor, Cam Roigard), or b) have been with the squad but haven't had the chance for many minutes (e.g. Asafo Aumua, Sam Darry, Billy Proctor).

Basically the same 23 will then be rolled out each week against England, Ireland and France - it pretty much picks itself at this stage. Italy will then be used to once again get minutes for the squad members who haven't had many opportunities yet this year, and the additional guys who come in from the All Blacks XV.

Plenty of picks in the All Blacks XV are very contestable, particularly in the loose forward and midfield (there aren't any outside centres really staking claims during the NPC that I've noticed as yet).

MiketheSnow

Hotham over Christie

Mr Fish

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

Hotham over Christie

I think the one issue is that Roigard has played no minutes so far, so you could be going into a game against Ireland with either an unproven newbie (Hotham) or a barely fit, relative newbie (Roigard) as your back-up halfback.

Neither situation is ideal. But if Roigard is able to get three or four games under his belt before the tour (which would depend on Counties getting a couple of games deep into the NPC knock-outs) and is in similar form to the beginning of the year then bringing Hotham in for Christie would make sense.

Bones

@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

Would be cool to see this team vs Japan:

Williams

Aumua

Tosi

Tuipolotu

Darry

Blackadder

Papali’i

Sotutu

Roigard/Ratima

Plummer

Telea

ALB

Proctor

Jordan

Love

Bell

Numia

Newell

Barrett

Lakai

Roigard/Ratima

McKenzie

Havili

Bro…..

Bro

Bell

cgrant

@Mr-Fish
I guess Brodie McAllister will be selected ahead of Eklund.
Is Fabian Holland eligible for the All Blacks XV ?

Mr Fish

@cgrant said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Mr-Fish
I guess Brodie McAllister will be selected ahead of Eklund.
Is Fabian Holland eligible for the All Blacks XV ?

I think McAlister is a better player, to be fair, provided he's injury free.

It's up to NZR whether Holland is eligible or not. There are no wider rules from WR preventing his selection because the XV isn't a designated capture team.

Victor Meldrew

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

Hotham over Christie

I think the one issue is that Roigard has played no minutes so far, so you could be going into a game against Ireland with either an unproven newbie (Hotham) or a barely fit, relative newbie (Roigard) as your back-up halfback.

Neither situation is ideal. But if Roigard is able to get three or four games under his belt before the tour (which would depend on Counties getting a couple of games deep into the NPC knock-outs) and is in similar form to the beginning of the year then bringing Hotham in for Christie would make sense.

Roigard has to start in Japan and ideally Hotham get some time too. Ironically, 9 is an area which is looking good, but we need to give the tyros experience quickly. If experience colours Robertson's selections, TJP over Christie...

Mr Fish

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

Hotham over Christie

I think the one issue is that Roigard has played no minutes so far, so you could be going into a game against Ireland with either an unproven newbie (Hotham) or a barely fit, relative newbie (Roigard) as your back-up halfback.

Neither situation is ideal. But if Roigard is able to get three or four games under his belt before the tour (which would depend on Counties getting a couple of games deep into the NPC knock-outs) and is in similar form to the beginning of the year then bringing Hotham in for Christie would make sense.

Roigard has to start in Japan and ideally Hotham get some time too. Ironically, 9 is an area which is looking good, but we need to give the tyros experience quickly. If experience colours Robertson's selections, TJP over Christie...

So Ratima might not play any top level rugby between now and starting against England?

There's a chance he gets a game for Waikato in the NPC finals but no guarantees.

The Silver Fern

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