All Blacks EOYT
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Is De Groot 100% and if not which prop might join them assuming Lomax Williams and Tosi are now locked in ..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Is De Groot 100% and if not which prop might join them assuming Lomax Williams and Tosi are now locked in ..
Tom Heywood?
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Isaac Boss said he would drop Papalii and Darry...and he considered dropping Ofa.
He said he would pick Ardie at 7.
He said he would play Roigard at 10 in future. Says he could be a world class 10. Coached him at Counties at under 18's.
Boss thinks we should pick Narawa.
Boss thinks we should keep ALB at 12 and put Jordie back at 15.Wilson and Mils and Boss said they would bring Cane and Mils said he would start him.
Wilson said Ardie will be our 7 next season.Mils wants to bring Finlay Christie. And put TJP in the NZ A' team.
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"Wilson would drop Plummer and Telea and not pick Narawa.
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Nawara is developing very useful utility value.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
Assuming the All Blacks follow a similar approach to 2022, I'm expecting something along the lines of the below...
All Blacks (37)
Hookers (3): Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua, George Bell
Props (6): Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tosi
Locks (4): Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Sam Darry, Patrick Tuipulotu
Loose forwards (7): Wallace Sititi, Dalton Papali'i, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Ethan Blackadder, Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson
Halfbacks (3): Cortez Ratima, Cam Roigard, Finlay Christie
First fives (3): Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Harry Plummer
Midifeld (5): Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Billy Proctor
Wings (4): Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa, Mark Tele'a, Sevu Reece
Fullbacks (2): Will Jordan, Stephen PerofetaAll Blacks XV (28)
Hookers (2): Ricky Riccitelli, Kurt Eklund
Props (5): Xavier Numia, George Bower, Aidan Ross, Marcel Renata, Saula Ma'u
Locks (3): Josh Lord, Fabian Holland, Max Hicks
Loose forwards (6): Cullen Grace, Cameron Suafoa, Malachi Wrampling, Peter Lakai, Hugh Renton, Hoskins Sotutu
Halfbacks (2): Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
First fives (1): Josh Jacomb
Midfield (3): Rameka Poihipi, Quinn Tupaea, Dallas McLeod, AJ Lam
Wings (4): Gideon Wrampling, Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Kini Naholo
Fullbacks (2): Ruben Love, Zarn SullivanUnavailable: Samisoni Taukei'aho
After the All Blacks XV finish their tour, I'd expect Xavier Numia, Josh Lord, Peter Lakai, Noah Hotham and Ruben Love to join the All Blacks for their final two matches against France and Italy, and likely all getting an appearance off the bench in that final game. There's not much point those guys travelling with the full squad from the get-go when they're unlikely to get minutes, and there are already guys in the full squad who are more or less just holding tackle bags each week. It's possible that some of the XV guys travel to Japan too.
Is there a massive advantage to taking Finlay Christie over Noah Hotham? Not really, but Hotham is better off getting two starts for the XV against Munster and Georgia rather than just training with the All Blacks, especially when he's already been in camp with them so he's familiar with the environment already. It's a similar story for Love and Lord.
I suspect that Razor will take Sam Cane, just because he'll be gunning for at least four wins on the tour - which means beating two out of England, Ireland and France. Cane is tailor-made for those games.
Japan will be used as a chance to give guys minutes who either a) need some game time in key positions to get up to speed ahead of the three consecutive games against England, Ireland and France (e.g. Damian McKenzie, Codie Taylor, Cam Roigard), or b) have been with the squad but haven't had the chance for many minutes (e.g. Asafo Aumua, Sam Darry, Billy Proctor).
Basically the same 23 will then be rolled out each week against England, Ireland and France - it pretty much picks itself at this stage. Italy will then be used to once again get minutes for the squad members who haven't had many opportunities yet this year, and the additional guys who come in from the All Blacks XV.
Plenty of picks in the All Blacks XV are very contestable, particularly in the loose forward and midfield (there aren't any outside centres really staking claims during the NPC that I've noticed as yet).
Looks pretty close but I bet they drop Billy Proctor for Brayden Ennor and one of the outsides for Chay Fihaki.
@tubbyj said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
Assuming the All Blacks follow a similar approach to 2022, I'm expecting something along the lines of the below...
All Blacks (37)
Hookers (3): Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua, George Bell
Props (6): Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tosi
Locks (4): Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Sam Darry, Patrick Tuipulotu
Loose forwards (7): Wallace Sititi, Dalton Papali'i, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Ethan Blackadder, Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson
Halfbacks (3): Cortez Ratima, Cam Roigard, Finlay Christie
First fives (3): Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Harry Plummer
Midifeld (5): Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Billy Proctor
Wings (4): Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa, Mark Tele'a, Sevu Reece
Fullbacks (2): Will Jordan, Stephen PerofetaAll Blacks XV (28)
Hookers (2): Ricky Riccitelli, Kurt Eklund
Props (5): Xavier Numia, George Bower, Aidan Ross, Marcel Renata, Saula Ma'u
Locks (3): Josh Lord, Fabian Holland, Max Hicks
Loose forwards (6): Cullen Grace, Cameron Suafoa, Malachi Wrampling, Peter Lakai, Hugh Renton, Hoskins Sotutu
Halfbacks (2): Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
First fives (1): Josh Jacomb
Midfield (3): Rameka Poihipi, Quinn Tupaea, Dallas McLeod, AJ Lam
Wings (4): Gideon Wrampling, Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Kini Naholo
Fullbacks (2): Ruben Love, Zarn SullivanUnavailable: Samisoni Taukei'aho
After the All Blacks XV finish their tour, I'd expect Xavier Numia, Josh Lord, Peter Lakai, Noah Hotham and Ruben Love to join the All Blacks for their final two matches against France and Italy, and likely all getting an appearance off the bench in that final game. There's not much point those guys travelling with the full squad from the get-go when they're unlikely to get minutes, and there are already guys in the full squad who are more or less just holding tackle bags each week. It's possible that some of the XV guys travel to Japan too.
Is there a massive advantage to taking Finlay Christie over Noah Hotham? Not really, but Hotham is better off getting two starts for the XV against Munster and Georgia rather than just training with the All Blacks, especially when he's already been in camp with them so he's familiar with the environment already. It's a similar story for Love and Lord.
I suspect that Razor will take Sam Cane, just because he'll be gunning for at least four wins on the tour - which means beating two out of England, Ireland and France. Cane is tailor-made for those games.
Japan will be used as a chance to give guys minutes who either a) need some game time in key positions to get up to speed ahead of the three consecutive games against England, Ireland and France (e.g. Damian McKenzie, Codie Taylor, Cam Roigard), or b) have been with the squad but haven't had the chance for many minutes (e.g. Asafo Aumua, Sam Darry, Billy Proctor).
Basically the same 23 will then be rolled out each week against England, Ireland and France - it pretty much picks itself at this stage. Italy will then be used to once again get minutes for the squad members who haven't had many opportunities yet this year, and the additional guys who come in from the All Blacks XV.
Plenty of picks in the All Blacks XV are very contestable, particularly in the loose forward and midfield (there aren't any outside centres really staking claims during the NPC that I've noticed as yet).
Looks pretty close but I bet they drop Billy Proctor for Brayden Ennor and one of the outsides for Chay Fihaki.
They won't drop Billy, Razor said in an interview his opportunity is coming. Likely against Japan or Italy I guess.
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Isaac Boss said he would drop Papalii and Darry...and he considered dropping Ofa.
He said he would pick Ardie at 7.
He said he would play Roigard at 10 in future. Says he could be a world class 10. Coached him at Counties at under 18's.
Boss thinks we should pick Narawa.
Boss thinks we should keep ALB at 12 and put Jordie back at 15.Wilson and Mils and Boss said they would bring Cane and Mils said he would start him.
Wilson said Ardie will be our 7 next season.Mils wants to bring Finlay Christie. And put TJP in the NZ A' team.
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"Wilson would drop Plummer and Telea and not pick Narawa.
@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
Isaac Boss said he would drop Papalii and Darry...and he considered dropping Ofa.
He said he would pick Ardie at 7.
He said he would play Roigard at 10 in future. Says he could be a world class 10. Coached him at Counties at under 18's.
Boss thinks we should pick Narawa.
Boss thinks we should keep ALB at 12 and put Jordie back at 15.Wilson and Mils and Boss said they would bring Cane and Mils said he would start him.
Wilson said Ardie will be our 7 next season.Mils wants to bring Finlay Christie. And put TJP in the NZ A' team.
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"Wilson would drop Plummer and Telea and not pick Narawa.
What a joke.
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ABs will struggle against Japan, England and first half against Ireland, but by France and Italy they'll be humming. 5-0.
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Nawara is developing very useful utility value.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Nawara is developing very useful utility value.
Looks a bit light in contact to me.
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Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
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Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks EOYT:
Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks EOYT:
Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks EOYT:
Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
Will surely get more rugby for XV?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks EOYT:
Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
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I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's one of those guys who needs to keep playing no matter the level because he seems to fall badly out of shape when he isn't.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's one of those guys who needs to keep playing no matter the level because he seems to fall badly out of shape when he isn't.
Yeah I agree and I wonder if that's a factor for Papali'i. He put some weight on for the Blues season but the ABs are not playing that bruiser style of game. Maybe why he's out of favour?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks EOYT:
Would love to see Numia and Lakai involved.
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's one of those guys who needs to keep playing no matter the level because he seems to fall badly out of shape when he isn't.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's not our only prop sucking in oxygen. Williams doesn't look much better if there isn't a stoppage.
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The other factor with DeGroot is - scrummaging dominance doesn't seem to have as much of a payoff in the current test climate - if you can avoid getting penalised (or penalised minimally) then there's much greater value to be had in the loose & llineout/restarts as a lifter. In other words there's much better value in a prop who is great in the loose and adequate in the scrums than visca versca*
*Of course I'm generalising and tests against England/Ireland/France in successive weekends may challenge that theory
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Isaac Boss said he would drop Papalii and Darry...and he considered dropping Ofa.
He said he would pick Ardie at 7.
He said he would play Roigard at 10 in future. Says he could be a world class 10. Coached him at Counties at under 18's.
Boss thinks we should pick Narawa.
Boss thinks we should keep ALB at 12 and put Jordie back at 15.Wilson and Mils and Boss said they would bring Cane and Mils said he would start him.
Wilson said Ardie will be our 7 next season.Mils wants to bring Finlay Christie. And put TJP in the NZ A' team.
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"Wilson would drop Plummer and Telea and not pick Narawa.
