All Blacks EOYT
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's one of those guys who needs to keep playing no matter the level because he seems to fall badly out of shape when he isn't.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
I think De Groot is one of Ryan's favourites.
Clearly, and I don't mind him either when fit, but man, he looks well off the pace.
He's not our only prop sucking in oxygen. Williams doesn't look much better if there isn't a stoppage.
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The other factor with DeGroot is - scrummaging dominance doesn't seem to have as much of a payoff in the current test climate - if you can avoid getting penalised (or penalised minimally) then there's much greater value to be had in the loose & llineout/restarts as a lifter. In other words there's much better value in a prop who is great in the loose and adequate in the scrums than visca versca*
*Of course I'm generalising and tests against England/Ireland/France in successive weekends may challenge that theory
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Isaac Boss said he would drop Papalii and Darry...and he considered dropping Ofa.
He said he would pick Ardie at 7.
He said he would play Roigard at 10 in future. Says he could be a world class 10. Coached him at Counties at under 18's.
Boss thinks we should pick Narawa.
Boss thinks we should keep ALB at 12 and put Jordie back at 15.Wilson and Mils and Boss said they would bring Cane and Mils said he would start him.
Wilson said Ardie will be our 7 next season.Mils wants to bring Finlay Christie. And put TJP in the NZ A' team.
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"Wilson would drop Plummer and Telea and not pick Narawa.
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@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"
That's not the first time Kirstie has forgotten her place.
Somebody needs to explain things to the little lady.@Kruse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
Kirstie rightly pulled him up on it. "you want to put TJP in a development team?"
That's not the first time Kirstie has forgotten her place.
Somebody needs to explain things to the little lady.Well in a 'development team' TJP helps with the development of NZ rugby, I think he has alot to offer the next tier of players.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
Yet somehow he's deemed fit to start in test rugby.
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You guys are going to love this one.
Expect to see TJ Perenara on the EOYT according to the extremely reliable contact. He will not be going to Japan until December because he’s going on the end of year tour.
Anything else I hear I’ll continue to throw in between now and then. I hope this isn’t true as much as the rest of you but as I always say, I’ll post anything juicy that’s worth sharing.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
Yet somehow he's deemed fit to start in test rugby.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
Yet somehow he's deemed fit to start in test rugby.
Ethan de Groot forever has looked like he was sucking in the big ones. That's just how he is, some people always look more shagged than others. I don't now how many times it needs to be said, the tight five is not an issue for the All Blacks.
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You guys are going to love this one.
Expect to see TJ Perenara on the EOYT according to the extremely reliable contact. He will not be going to Japan until December because he’s going on the end of year tour.
Anything else I hear I’ll continue to throw in between now and then. I hope this isn’t true as much as the rest of you but as I always say, I’ll post anything juicy that’s worth sharing.
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@Landers92 faaark. If he's third halfback I'll cope but not if they keep playing him.
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Landers92 faaark. If he's third halfback I'll cope but not if they keep playing him.
I asked who was missing out but they didn’t know. If I was to guess, Hotham would be with the AB XV and potentially joins ABs as an extra/apprentice after his duties with the AB XV are done. This is my speculation here about who misses out, not saying that’s what’s happening. Just doesn’t add up to take TJP at all.
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I could be wrong, but I reckon they'll send an advanced party to England. That will probably include some of the guys who will start all three of those middle tests. Would not be surprised if on top of the 36, some of the NZ XV players are in Japan as cover.
Namely: McAllister/Riccitelli, Bower, Lord & Hotham
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
Yet somehow he's deemed fit to start in test rugby.
Ethan de Groot forever has looked like he was sucking in the big ones. That's just how he is, some people always look more shagged than others. I don't now how many times it needs to be said, the tight five is not an issue for the All Blacks.
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
Numia should be there for De Groot. He's in awful shape currently, way down on fitness and it's currently affecting his scrummaging, not to mention how extremely sluggish he is around the field these days.
I remember the game de Groot played for Southland against Canterbury, and he was sucking in the big ones after 10 mins.
Yet somehow he's deemed fit to start in test rugby.
Ethan de Groot forever has looked like he was sucking in the big ones. That's just how he is, some people always look more shagged than others. I don't now how many times it needs to be said, the tight five is not an issue for the All Blacks.
He looks more shagged than usual, he needs to get fitter.
Don't recall saying that the tight 5 was an issue, Ethan De Groot's fitness though, at present, is.
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I could be wrong, but I reckon they'll send an advanced party to England. That will probably include some of the guys who will start all three of those middle tests. Would not be surprised if on top of the 36, some of the NZ XV players are in Japan as cover.
Namely: McAllister/Riccitelli, Bower, Lord & Hotham
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
I could be wrong, but I reckon they'll send an advanced party to England. That will probably include some of the guys who will start all three of those middle tests. Would not be surprised if on top of the 36, some of the NZ XV players are in Japan as cover.
Namely: McAllister/Riccitelli, Bower, Lord & Hotham
You are 100 % correct
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The other factor with DeGroot is - scrummaging dominance doesn't seem to have as much of a payoff in the current test climate - if you can avoid getting penalised (or penalised minimally) then there's much greater value to be had in the loose & llineout/restarts as a lifter. In other words there's much better value in a prop who is great in the loose and adequate in the scrums than visca versca*
*Of course I'm generalising and tests against England/Ireland/France in successive weekends may challenge that theory
I agree with this in theory. The new scrum rule changes certainly benefit Ireland.
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I could be wrong, but I reckon they'll send an advanced party to England. That will probably include some of the guys who will start all three of those middle tests. Would not be surprised if on top of the 36, some of the NZ XV players are in Japan as cover.
Namely: McAllister/Riccitelli, Bower, Lord & Hotham
@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
I could be wrong, but I reckon they'll send an advanced party to England. That will probably include some of the guys who will start all three of those middle tests. Would not be surprised if on top of the 36, some of the NZ XV players are in Japan as cover.
Namely: McAllister/Riccitelli, Bower, Lord & Hotham
Think that Razor confirmed this already? (Not specific players obviously but the substance)
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If we start with the TRC squad of 36 and allow for a EOYT squad of 36 it’s plaIn there’ll be minimal change.
Seems unlikely to be any changes in backs other than at 9. Roigard back for Hotham. I’d swap Christie in for TJS but Raz clearly loves his hairstyle.
In forwards any changes would seem only to be in loosies. Cane in/out could open space for Lakai. Otherwise Finau most at risk, but logic would dictate another taller loosie, and only Sotutu and Grace come to mind. Probably the most room for a bolter. -
You guys are going to love this one.
Expect to see TJ Perenara on the EOYT according to the extremely reliable contact. He will not be going to Japan until December because he’s going on the end of year tour.
Anything else I hear I’ll continue to throw in between now and then. I hope this isn’t true as much as the rest of you but as I always say, I’ll post anything juicy that’s worth sharing.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks EOYT:
You guys are going to love this one.
Expect to see TJ Perenara on the EOYT according to the extremely reliable contact. He will not be going to Japan until December because he’s going on the end of year tour.
Anything else I hear I’ll continue to throw in between now and then. I hope this isn’t true as much as the rest of you but as I always say, I’ll post anything juicy that’s worth sharing.
That should mean Hotham with the ABXV
Edit: that will learn me for commenting without reading the posts below.
Actually, fuck it, this is the fern and reading is optional.
