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    Bovidae
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    I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

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      @brodean fatigue definitely a factor in some of the yellows.
      Sititi by himself has made a significant difference to our ball carrying. I'm not so sure about Darry as a runner, but as previous I think changing the prop combinations so we have one of Williams and Tosi on at all times has immediate merit. Swapping Cane out for someone who can make a few effective carries is an obvious one, then next port of call for me would be more minutes for Aumua. That plus getting to a 6-2 split and generally bringing the bench on earlier I think would make a big difference.

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      @reprobate

      Darry made some good hard metres for the Blues and was surprisingly good at muscling over for the try

      6 - 2 bench is a good thing to look at for some teams. Who are you thinking for the utility back?

      South Africa have a loose forward who can cover midfield and a halfback who can cover wing.

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        @reprobate

        Darry made some good hard metres for the Blues and was surprisingly good at muscling over for the try

        6 - 2 bench is a good thing to look at for some teams. Who are you thinking for the utility back?

        South Africa have a loose forward who can cover midfield and a halfback who can cover wing.

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        @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

        @reprobate

        Darry made some good hard metres for the Blues and was surprisingly good at muscling over for the try

        6 - 2 bench is a good thing to look at for some teams. Who are you thinking for the utility back?

        South Africa have a loose forward who can cover midfield and a halfback who can cover wing.

        I guess I just don't see Darry as adding more than Vaai or Barrett overall at this stage, or Pat on the bench - and think there's other more substantial gains to be made in the pack's ball running elsewhere first.

        The utility back obviously depends a lot on the starting lineup e.g. put Rieko on the wing and you could get away without midfield cover and use a 10/15 utility on the bench. Otherwise you probably have to start a fullback or 12 who can cover 10, and put a midfielder ALB/JB on the bench.
        Can Plummer play fullback? If he covered 10/12/15 off the bench then a Narawa/Fainganuku on the wing covering centre would work.

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          @gt12 All those games counted.

          He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

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          @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

          @gt12 All those games counted.

          He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

          Cane got a red card and made 8 times the amount of tackles as your Tongan boy.

          Being shit hampered him a bit.

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

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            @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

            I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

            With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

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              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

              @gt12 All those games counted.

              He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

              Cane got a red card and made 8 times the amount of tackles as your Tongan boy.

              Being shit hampered him a bit.

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              @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

              @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

              @gt12 All those games counted.

              He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

              Cane got a red card and made 8 times the amount of tackles as your Tongan boy.

              Being shit hampered him a bit.

              Would have been fucking good if Sam had made one less! 🙂

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                @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

                With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

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                @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

                @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

                With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

                I think they still feel Tosi is a work in progress - because he is. His scrummaging remains a big concern.

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                  @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                  I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

                  With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

                  I think they still feel Tosi is a work in progress - because he is. His scrummaging remains a big concern.

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                  @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                  I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

                  With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

                  I think they still feel Tosi is a work in progress - because he is. His scrummaging remains a big concern.

                  Yes, in particular against Boks. But Fletch was scrummaging on one leg and Lomax had steam coming out of his head gasket.

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                  • Chris B.C Chris B.

                    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @gt12 All those games counted.

                    He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

                    Cane got a red card and made 8 times the amount of tackles as your Tongan boy.

                    Being shit hampered him a bit.

                    Would have been fucking good if Sam had made one less! 🙂

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                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @gt12 All those games counted.

                    He got dished a pretty bogus yellow card after 90 seconds, which probably hampered him a bit.

                    Cane got a red card and made 8 times the amount of tackles as your Tongan boy.

                    Being shit hampered him a bit.

                    Would have been fucking good if Sam had made one less! 🙂

                    If your boy had made one more then maybe he would have.

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                      @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                      I'd be surprised if Tosi would have played if Newell was fit. It could be another example where injury solved a problem.

                      With benefit of hindsight it seems odd that Tosi didn’t Chuck on a jersey when Newell calf went in warm up to Boks 2.

                      I think they still feel Tosi is a work in progress - because he is. His scrummaging remains a big concern.

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                      brodean
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                      @frugby

                      BS.

                      Tosi is good to go.

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                        ABs released to play NPC this round.

                        Friday 4 October
                        Northland v Otago – Semenoff Stadium, Whangarei, 7.05pm
                        Otago: George Bower

                        Saturday 5 October
                        Manawatū v Counties Manukau – Massey University, 2.05pm
                        Counties Manukau: Dalton Papali’i, Cam Roigard

                        Southland v North Harbour – Invercargill Rugby Park, 4.35pm
                        Southland: Ethan de Groot
                        North Harbour: Mark Tele’a

                        Wellington v Hawkes Bay – Sky Stadium, Wellington, 4.35pm
                        Wellington: Billy Proctor

                        Canterbury v Waikato – Apollo Projects Stadium, 7.05pm
                        Canterbury: George Bell, Sam Darry
                        Waikato: Samipeni Finau

                        Sunday 6 October
                        Ta$man v Taranaki – Trafalgar Park, Nelson, 2.05pm
                        Ta$man: Ethan Blackadder, Noah Hotham and David Havili
                        Taranaki: Stephen Perofeta

                        Auckland v Bay of Plenty – Auckland Grammar School, 4.35pm
                        Auckland: Harry Plummer, Patrick Tuipulotu
                        Bay of Plenty: Pasilio Tosi

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                          NZ sports journalists - yikes!!!!

                          "The popular consensus is that in the second Bledisloe Cup test Beauden Barrett played his way into the jersey with a cool display that gave the All Blacks a sense of calm and a more stable springboard."

                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/all-blacks-scott-robertson-must-be-ruthless-axe-sam-cane-and-tj-perenara-for-end-of-year-tour-paul-lewis/BCRSHRD65VCI7MQX553Y47DTKM/

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                            on thing that has epitomized the Robertson regime so far is ruthlessness at the selection table

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                              NZ sports journalists - yikes!!!!

                              "The popular consensus is that in the second Bledisloe Cup test Beauden Barrett played his way into the jersey with a cool display that gave the All Blacks a sense of calm and a more stable springboard."

                              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/all-blacks-scott-robertson-must-be-ruthless-axe-sam-cane-and-tj-perenara-for-end-of-year-tour-paul-lewis/BCRSHRD65VCI7MQX553Y47DTKM/

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                              reprobate
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                              @Frank fuck me, that's the popular consensus? Who does Paul Lewis hang out with, Beauden's mum?

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                                Do I really not know what I'm watching or are journalists all adopting the walrus approach?

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                                  Do I really not know what I'm watching or are journalists all adopting the walrus approach?

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                                  @antipodean ive felt for a long time that there is a big difference between what i enjoy and like watching, when i think a player is playing well....and what lots of other people do

                                  on the socials ive seen lots of people raving about BB this year...and i just dont get it

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                                    @antipodean ive felt for a long time that there is a big difference between what i enjoy and like watching, when i think a player is playing well....and what lots of other people do

                                    on the socials ive seen lots of people raving about BB this year...and i just dont get it

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                                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    on the socials ive seen lots of people raving about BB this year...and i just dont get it

                                    i am convinced that fans of all sports think it is perpetually 5 years ago.

                                    You see it heaps in the NBA where fans will bemoan the lack of Harden and Leanard in the finals now, and think they lack star power.

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                                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      on the socials ive seen lots of people raving about BB this year...and i just dont get it

                                      i am convinced that fans of all sports think it is perpetually 5 years ago.

                                      You see it heaps in the NBA where fans will bemoan the lack of Harden and Leanard in the finals now, and think they lack star power.

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                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      on the socials ive seen lots of people raving about BB this year...and i just dont get it

                                      i am convinced that fans of all sports think it is perpetually 5 years ago.

                                      You see it heaps in the NBA where fans will bemoan the lack of Harden and Leanard in the finals now, and think they lack star power.

                                      There's always a delay of a few months to a year.

                                      I remember when Rieko was out of form around 2018, people were raving about him.

                                      Then when he actually started hitting form 2019, people were shitting on him for his past performances saying he's out of form.

                                      Rinse and repeat. People will start criticizing Beauden for his performances currently a year from now (at which point he'll probably be in form and unjustly criticized).

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                                        @Frank fuck me, that's the popular consensus? Who does Paul Lewis hang out with, Beauden's mum?

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                                        Bovidae
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                                        Some of these "journalists" keep banging the same drum about certain players. I've already mentioned a certain Stuff rugby journo who does the same about BB and Telea.

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                                          Reputation lag is a real thing

                                          Because 6-7 years ago Beauden was World Player of the Year and DMac was a fringe AB then those reputations stick

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