All Blacks XV 2024
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman Have you got some thoughts on props?
Seems like quite a lot of options at loosehead - e.g. Norris and Rakete-Stones - maybe even Brewis - additional options - but, a bit of a struggle for tightheads.
I’d say loosehead ranking likely to be Bower, Numia, Ross in that order.
TH tricker. I thought Renata was excellent for Blues, scrummaging a step up from previously. Dyer seemed to be top TH at Chiefs and solid. Thought the Ta$man TH was very solid against Lions, but may be contracted elsewhere. Rakete-Stones and Tevita Mafileo can play both sides
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@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
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Here's a wild crack at the squad of 29. Some will doubtless be wrong - probably even picking some injured or ineligible.
6 props: Bower, Numia, Ross, Renata, Dyer, O'Neill (a captain's call for McMillan - seems like less options at tighthead)
3 hookers: Riccitelli, Slater, McAlister (maybe Taylor)
3 Locks: Lord, Holland, Walker-Leaware
5 Loose forwards: Suafoa, Grace, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie
3 halfbacks: Hotham, Christie, Fakatava
2 First fives: Plummer, Jacomb
3 Midfielders: Higgins, Rona, Tupaea
4 Outsides: Narawa, Lam, Tavatavanawai*, Fihaki
*possibly injured - maybe Nanai-Seturo, but he may be injured as well?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Here's a wild crack at the squad of 29. Some will doubtless be wrong - probably even picking some injured or ineligible.
6 props: Bower, Numia, Ross, Renata, Dyer, O'Neill (a captain's call for McMillan - seems like less options at tighthead)
3 hookers: Riccitelli, Slater, McAlister (maybe Taylor)
3 Locks: Lord, Holland, Walker-Leaware
5 Loose forwards: Suafoa, Grace, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie
3 halfbacks: Hotham, Christie, Fakatava
2 First fives: Plummer, Jacomb
3 Midfielders: Higgins, Rona, Tupaea
4 Outsides: Narawa, Lam, Tavatavanawai*, Fihaki
*possibly injured - maybe Nanai-Seturo, but he may be injured as well?
Being my ever picky self... you've only got 1 x 7, and who are your 15s? Narawa and Fihaki?
I suppose Love could slot down to cover for a game.
Would have Sullivan Z in front of both Fihaki, and probably Lam.
Not many 7s in both squads.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
As I've said before, it's so fucking dumb. Get an injury and you have a useless kid on the bench for a big game, while encouraging your depth to fuck off overseas.
Just change the internal rules, and allow yourselves to have young guys train with the squad without being in it.
Problem solved dickheads. No charge. -
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
@African-Monkey the ABs are not a development side. Apparently the coaches didn't get the memo
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Here's a wild crack at the squad of 29. Some will doubtless be wrong - probably even picking some injured or ineligible.
6 props: Bower, Numia, Ross, Renata, Dyer, O'Neill (a captain's call for McMillan - seems like less options at tighthead)
3 hookers: Riccitelli, Slater, McAlister (maybe Taylor)
3 Locks: Lord, Holland, Walker-Leaware
5 Loose forwards: Suafoa, Grace, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie
3 halfbacks: Hotham, Christie, Fakatava
2 First fives: Plummer, Jacomb
3 Midfielders: Higgins, Rona, Tupaea
4 Outsides: Narawa, Lam, Tavatavanawai*, Fihaki
*possibly injured - maybe Nanai-Seturo, but he may be injured as well?
Being my ever picky self... you've only got 1 x 7, and who are your 15s? Narawa and Fihaki?
I suppose Love could slot down to cover for a game.
Would have Sullivan Z in front of both Fihaki, and probably Lam.
Not many 7s in both squads.
@booboo said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Here's a wild crack at the squad of 29. Some will doubtless be wrong - probably even picking some injured or ineligible.
6 props: Bower, Numia, Ross, Renata, Dyer, O'Neill (a captain's call for McMillan - seems like less options at tighthead)
3 hookers: Riccitelli, Slater, McAlister (maybe Taylor)
3 Locks: Lord, Holland, Walker-Leaware
5 Loose forwards: Suafoa, Grace, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie
3 halfbacks: Hotham, Christie, Fakatava
2 First fives: Plummer, Jacomb
3 Midfielders: Higgins, Rona, Tupaea
4 Outsides: Narawa, Lam, Tavatavanawai*, Fihaki
*possibly injured - maybe Nanai-Seturo, but he may be injured as well?
Being my ever picky self... you've only got 1 x 7, and who are your 15s? Narawa and Fihaki?
I suppose Love could slot down to cover for a game.
Would have Sullivan Z in front of both Fihaki, and probably Lam.
Not many 7s in both squads.
@Chris-B
Seems you've addressed these (mostly) already ...
#booboo
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
As I've said before, it's so fucking dumb. Get an injury and you have a useless kid on the bench for a big game, while encouraging your depth to fuck off overseas.
Just change the internal rules, and allow yourselves to have young guys train with the squad without being in it.
Problem solved dickheads. No charge.@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
As I've said before, it's so fucking dumb. Get an injury and you have a useless kid on the bench for a big game, while encouraging your depth to fuck off overseas.
Just change the internal rules, and allow yourselves to have young guys train with the squad without being in it.
Problem solved dickheads. No charge.He's not a useless kid. He had the throwing yips for sure, the other Crusader hookers did too, so hopefully it was a blip rather than an ongoing problem. Outside of that he has a handy all-round game and I can see why they want to invest time in him. I also suspect he has been earmarked as a future leader.
RR would be a stop gap measure and he would probably do a satisfactory job as a last resort. Many of us want Razor to be more adventurous with his selections and start thinking about the future, isn't Bell one of those selections?
EDIT: I just comprehended your call for people like him to be attached to the squad for training purposes. Financial constraints maybe?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Aumua needs pressure on him and Bell isn't providing that because he's ill disciplined and has an unreliable lineout.
There is plenty of Pressure on Aumua he is not doing much to retain his place in the squad.
There is pressure to stay there.There's not plenty of pressure on Aumua.
They never give a 3rd hooker any game time regardless of how Aumua is playing
If they do Aumua is out once ST comes back
The point is that they don't. Bledisloe 2 seemed like a perfect opportunity to give Bell some game time but.... nothing.
Based on his super rugby campaign, Bell should have been sweating on his place in the crusaders not rewarded with an AB contract.
I would like to think super rugby get rewarded with a call up which is why RR should have been given a crack based on his super rugby form as he clearly deserved it.
Bell deserved nothing.
Yes he was fucken hopeless, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way. Most of his throws were ending up in the first fives hands. One of the worst campaigns you'll see from a hooker.
However, I do see the logic in picking a guy like Bell, and yes, it is Jason Ryan getting his boy in, but in saying that, we do need to bring some younger players through too, and if they can turn someone llike Bell into a world class player, then we're onto something going forward, so I'll back them on this one, but the criticisms of him are more than deserved at the same time.
As I've said before, it's so fucking dumb. Get an injury and you have a useless kid on the bench for a big game, while encouraging your depth to fuck off overseas.
Just change the internal rules, and allow yourselves to have young guys train with the squad without being in it.
Problem solved dickheads. No charge.He's not a useless kid. He had the throwing yips for sure, the other Crusader hookers did too, so hopefully it was a blip rather than an ongoing problem. Outside of that he has a handy all-round game and I can see why they want to invest time in him. I also suspect he has been earmarked as a future leader.
RR would be a stop gap measure and he would probably do a satisfactory job as a last resort. Many of us want Razor to be more adventurous with his selections and start thinking about the future, isn't Bell one of those selections?
EDIT: I just comprehended your call for people like him to be attached to the squad for training purposes. Financial constraints maybe?
@Crazy-Horse I am all for developing young players. I just see zero need to name kids who clearly aren't ready - what is the benefit?
Bell knows he hasn't earned it.
RR knows Bell hasn't earned it and he has been ignored.
If you had to play one of them during this RC, RR would have been the better option.You're right, he's not a useless kid - he's a good kid - who has wrongly been given a man's spot.
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If the selectors consider the AB XV as a development side, then the likes of Lauaki (THP), Taylor (hooker), Iose (LF), Haig (LF), Withy (LF), Millar (1st 5), Jacomb (1st 5), AJ Lam (utility back), Higgins (2nd 5), Tavatavanawai (wing), Naholo (wing) and Z Sullivan (FB) should be considered.
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If the selectors consider the AB XV as a development side, then the likes of Lauaki (THP), Taylor (hooker), Iose (LF), Haig (LF), Withy (LF), Millar (1st 5), Jacomb (1st 5), AJ Lam (utility back), Higgins (2nd 5), Tavatavanawai (wing), Naholo (wing) and Z Sullivan (FB) should be considered.
@cgrant said in All Blacks XV 2024:
If the selectors consider the AB XV as a development side, then the likes of Lauaki (THP), Taylor (hooker), Iose (LF), Haig (LF), Withy (LF), Millar (1st 5), Jacomb (1st 5), AJ Lam (utility back), Higgins (2nd 5), Tavatavanawai (wing), Naholo (wing) and Z Sullivan (FB) should be considered.
Agree with those except Tavatavanawai. Think his time is quickly passing him by as a potential All Black.
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So, do we think Sotutu 'hardest person to leave out of squad' will be in the group of XV that go to Japan... and will he say yeah nah to that possible time resetting cap?
If he's left out I think that comment Razor made comes across as dishonest.
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
This announcement will spark some interesting posts today.
What time is the announcement?
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
This announcement will spark some interesting posts today.
What time is the announcement?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
This announcement will spark some interesting posts today.
What time is the announcement?
2pm
