Americas cup
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@scribe said in Americas cup:
Yeah it was McIvor. The experts with him are pretty good at explaining detailed stuff quite simply. I think it’s Glen Ashby who sailed with ETNZ last time, and English sailing legend Shirley Robertson. They also have Peter Lester in his 11th America's Cup campaign. The latter reckons the kiwis get up to speed faster through the tacks and that’s the biggest difference between the respective boats.
At the moment ETNZ get up to hull speed way faster and their VMG is better. Basically gaining 50m per tack and gybe.
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@booboo said in Americas cup:
Who was/is the commentator?
Sounds like Stephen McIvor. Is it?
McIvor is cringe personified. I really enjoyed Ken Read, young man in an older man's body. Essentially the Murray Mexted of sailing.
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This is a real shame IMHO.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350451102/new-zealand-unlikely-host-next-americas-cup-regatta
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not surprised as i dont think there is any chance of auckland or NZ wanting to get ETNZ back after they left....but i fond the comment about Auckland not being ready in 2 years weird...would have thought they could re do a lot of what they did in 2021 easy enough
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@Donsteppa said in Americas cup:
One of Emirates Team New Zealand’s senior people has told Italian media that Aotearoa is not on the cards for the next America’s Cup regatta if they win.
Which is why "Team New Zealand" can get in the bin.
the question though, if what ETNZ has at least suggested is truth, that they couldnt fund a successful defence without taking a payday overseas...should they have just done it in NZ and lost it?
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@nzzp said in Americas cup:
@Bovidae said in Americas cup:
The Barcelona locals aren't that keen either.
a hundred of them aren't keen! Rentacrowd exist everywhere, dissatisified with everything.
are there protests or something?
watching the highlights the only "crowd" scenes seem to be of the friends and familes, are there stands or fans zones? are there boats around the course?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Americas cup:
@Donsteppa said in Americas cup:
One of Emirates Team New Zealand’s senior people has told Italian media that Aotearoa is not on the cards for the next America’s Cup regatta if they win.
Which is why "Team New Zealand" can get in the bin.
the question though, if what ETNZ has at least suggested is truth, that they couldnt fund a successful defence without taking a payday overseas...should they have just done it in NZ and lost it?
I'd be more sympathetic if the defender didn't at least have some say in setting the rules and scope.
The fact that NZ is being ruled out of hand as a future host by representatives of Emirates Team - before they've even defended it - just doesn't help much with the overall care factor. For me at least.
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@Donsteppa which is your prerogative
he's not saying anything bad about NZ though, just that he didnt think they could be ready in time (which i curious about), not saying they its out of the question (although we all know the politics mean it almost certainly is)
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so I've heard of the America's Cup, never really knew what it was, basically found out about it when i was in Auckland 20 odd years ago. I knew Ainslie was racing in it, but only because i watch cycling and ineos popped up on my twitter feed.
Even as a sports nut who sailed a bit when i was younger, with sports nut friends, I have never ever had a conversation about it, don't know the rules or how the competition works but every so often over the years watched a bit (seem to remember Ainslie sailing in San Fran a few years back). Having watched about 10 mins of the last 'round' - the boats are so boring now, no crew throwing themselves around, no boats up on their side, no real sense of how fast the boats are travelling and very little actual racing appears to take place. Give me a laser race, or kite foiling any day. Bring back single hulls and a bit of drama.
Maybe i'm not the target audience i guess.
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@Dodge said in Americas cup:
so I've heard of the America's Cup, never really knew what it was, basically found out about it when i was in Auckland 20 odd years ago. I knew Ainslie was racing in it, but only because i watch cycling and ineos popped up on my twitter feed.
Even as a sports nut who sailed a bit when i was younger, with sports nut friends, I have never ever had a conversation about it, don't know the rules or how the competition works but every so often over the years watched a bit (seem to remember Ainslie sailing in San Fran a few years back). Having watched about 10 mins of the last 'round' - the boats are so boring now, no crew throwing themselves around, no boats up on their side, no real sense of how fast the boats are travelling and very little actual racing appears to take place. Give me a laser race, or kite foiling any day. Bring back single hulls and a bit of drama.
Maybe i'm not the target audience i guess.
I think you have to be up close and personal with these boats to really appreciate how fast they are travelling and what a spectacle they are. After viewing these boats in Auckland in the last edition of the America's Cup I quickly found out what all the fuss was about, probably one of the best sporting events I've been to. The way these boats roar into the racing area is a sight in itself and I feel like there's no going back.
As a laser sailor for twenty odd years myself, I appreciate what you're saying in terms of proper match racing. I guess the America's Cup is now sailing on steroids' but as seen in the pre-start yesterday there is still room to make maneuvers and force the opposition into penalties. Something Burling seems to have all over Ainslie atm.
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the think i really miss about the old boat was yes they were going much slower....but it was more obvious the work people were putting into getting every ounce a speed, i was talking to my only interested mate yesterday and just pointed out this is just like the old cgi simulations because all we get is the boast and close ups
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Auckland could absolutely be ready in 2 years time. all that really needs to be done is some team sheds be built and the land is still available.
The reality is even if the govt stumped up the squillions that Dalton asked for ETNZ would find a reason for it not to be hosted here.
The reality is we are in the wrong time zone for the advertising dollars and far fewer teams would challenge. The Med is the epicentre for Americas Cup teams although I can see ETNZ being pressured to give the hosting rights to Dubai. The whole thing would be petty cash for the Maktoums
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@Kiwiwomble said in Americas cup:
the think i really miss about the old boat was yes they were going much slower....but it was more obvious the work people were putting into getting every ounce a speed, i was talking to my only interested mate yesterday and just pointed out this is just like the old cgi simulations because all we get is the boast and close ups
I think bringing the boats back to the water would bring more interest and certainly more traditional sailing. The design or the design rules would be key. Something like a box rule with maximum waterline length of 90' and super light displacement. Basically a giant 18' skiff that would still generate a tonne of speed but bring back the key elements of sailing such as sail changes and eyes on the water rather than relying on computers.
