All Blacks EOYT

Victor Meldrew

@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:

@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:

@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

This Sotutu debate might legit ruin this forum. The All Blacks haven't played in nearly a month, and yet somehow we're still arguing about it.

I haven't seen anyone engage in the debate of how Lakai might get on (who is actually in the bleeding squad).

Mate, you've been here five minutes and the sky is falling. This is just a normal day on TSF

Haha yeah talk about dramatic.

I don't think most of us come here to spend all day agreeing with each other

If I start to agree with you deluded fluffybunnies I'm booking therapy

Second that.

nostrildamus

Just to defend Niggles a tad, at least he gets regularly injured on both sides of the ball.

The next major question is the safeguarding of the nearly 30 year old David Havili, is he really top AB material or the ultimate bench/impact utility?

nostrildamus

@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:

The fishing season is bringing out a host of massive trawlers this year, that's for sure.

Not trolling if they mean it!

No Quarter

@chchfanatic said in All Blacks EOYT:

Geez are we still talking about Sotutu. So he’s going to go and play for England even though he’s contracted to NZ for next couple of years.
The guy is a fluffy bunny who was told to go and work on his fitness. “This is the level we want our loose forwards at “ he didn’t even get close.
Caleb Clarke was told he needed to shed weight and he did exactly what he was asked. Now he’s arguably the number one winger.
Don’t put it back on the coaches when you wont do the hard work. Mentally weak individual.

I mean that just probably reinforces what we know about Razor, that he is favouring lighter more mobile loosies over the bigger more physical players. He's trying to play an up tempo game plan to run other teams off their feet, a game plan that hasn't worked for about a decade or so I'd say. So far all we've managed to do is exhaust ourselves and finish each game getting dominated in the final quarter.

This EOYT tour will be really interesting. If Razor can't get this game plan to work then he's going to be under huge pressure. He hasn't had a lot of scrutiny from the media so far given how bad we've been this year but I think they will turn sharply if we get embarrassed up North.

Personally I think the game plan is destined to fail in the current game, for example for SA 6 out of their 8 forwards have only been on the field for 15 minutes at the 70 minute mark so are not sucking in the big ones like the old days.

Frank

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

gt12

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

nostrildamus

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

um it is hard to believe EB and EdG were getting close to whatever fitness levels were required.

Nepia

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

Jut to defend Niggles a tad, at least he gets regularly injured in both sides of the ball.

canefan

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

um it is hard to believe EB and EdG were getting close to whatever fitness levels were required.

Maybe that's why EB keeps getting crocked? He's just too fit...

Nepia

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

Yeah he really struggled with his fitness during Super rugby.

Wait, no he didn't.

Another as bullshit excuse as "both sides of the ball".

darylmitchell

@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

There's fuck all else to talk about because there have been 9 fucking games of elite rugby in like 4 months.

The Australasian rugby season makes no friggen sense at all, and is actively damaging the game.

Exactly, the game is thriving in Europe and their elite comps don't get placed on hold for months & months upon end because of inconsequential friendlies that no one outside of the backwards ass NZR and their All Black marketing team thinks are the pinnacle event which everyone should stop for.

African Monkey

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

um it is hard to believe EB and EdG were getting close to whatever fitness levels were required.

Ha! Yeah Ethan De Groot's fitness was closer to someone who plays social rugby at his local club with his mates on a Saturday afternoon than a pro rugby player.

Niggles? Yeah, think we've all said enough on that topic.

junior

@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

Bones

@junior and as others have pointed out, it flies in the face of any logic around other selections. But I guess they weren't told to get fit or play both sides of the ball, so must have hit their targets.

What does get fit even fucking mean at that level?

antipodean

@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

HIs fitness was a clear issue at the Blues where he played more minutes than anyone else...

brodean

@Nepia said in All Blacks EOYT:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

@chchfanatic said in All Blacks EOYT:

Geez are we still talking about Sotutu. So he’s going to go and play for England even though he’s contracted to NZ for next couple of years.
The guy is a fluffy bunny who was told to go and work on his fitness. “This is the level we want our loose forwards at “ he didn’t even get close.
Caleb Clarke was told he needed to shed weight and he did exactly what he was asked. Now he’s arguably the number one winger.
Don’t put it back on the coaches when you wont do the hard work. Mentally weak individual.

Maybe if you don't want us to talk about player X you shouldn't then go on and insult player X and insinuate you know way more than the official line without any obvious and clear evidence..

The new breed of Cantabs have been circling their wagons like the days of old when I first joined this place. Who knew it would take the Messiah not quite being able to walk on water like we were promised to get the Village of the Damned back to full fighting force.

The results have been no better than Foster level. This isn't the Prince that was promised.

The selection boondoggles don't help.

Billy Tell

@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:

The fishing season is bringing out a host of massive trawlers this year, that's for sure.

Ye olde « doesn’t agree with my opinion » = trawler.

Omnipresent argument on Internet forums since the year dot.

nostrildamus

@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

HIs fitness was a clear issue at the Blues where he played more minutes than anyone else...

Yeah, the Blues locks weren't regular AB picks (and one was playing on one leg), the hooker not looked at at all, the 7 can't keep his place in the ABs and has injury issues, so it must have been Akira who pushed his lazy-arsed fellow forwards all the way to the final

gt12

@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

gt12

And, I wonder when this testing was done. If players are getting a really hard time during the season or it is at the end of the season, wouldn't that really harm players who had left it all out there during the key games?

The Silver Fern

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