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  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

    @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Tim I'm hoping for at least one statement performance on the EOYT where the ABs really put a good side away and giving them a hiding. The performances have been too patchy this year to get excited about.

    Personally I'd rather see three close wins to the AB than one hiding.

    I'd actually accept a close loss or two if it meant we didn't go to pieces in the last 30-40minutes of games. Progress would be getting back to the sort of resilience we saw against Ireland and SA 12 months ago.

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    @Victor-Meldrew If we lose to England I'll be devastated.

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      If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
      Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

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      • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

        If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
        Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

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        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

        If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
        Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

        Savea at 6? May be better off the bench in that case?

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        • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

          If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
          Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

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          @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

          If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
          Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

          Yeah I don't see him being markedly better than Savea and certainly wouldn't be comfortable it being based off turning up against Japan. If so, why not promote all the players that perform against Japan?

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            @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

            https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/bad-blood-swirls-as-the-all-blacks-head-north/

            Robertson has had a chance to test his theories against top notch defence. Now he needs to go win some games on the EOYT to prove he belongs at this level. The standard is wins over England, Ireland, and France. Time is running out for him.

            Great article, as always. To me were still trying basically the same shit that hasn't worked for over half a dozen years. You can't outflank the blitz, I was really hoping that razor would move materially away from the 2015 attack. But we haven't, same sort of shit, we're just polishing the turd. We need to play more direct, off nine, more often than we do. But no, abs are too cool to play that way 🙄.

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            @Machpants from what I hear we are sticking to the fast game plan, Razor reckons he can execute it by the 27 RWC.
            The players from Fosters team are getting the first shot and then others will be brought in when they don't cut it.

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            • B BorderJB

              @Machpants from what I hear we are sticking to the fast game plan, Razor reckons he can execute it by the 27 RWC.
              The players from Fosters team are getting the first shot and then others will be brought in when they don't cut it.

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              @BorderJB said in All Blacks EOYT:

              @Machpants from what I hear we are sticking to the fast game plan, Razor reckons he can execute it by the 27 RWC.
              The players from Fosters team are getting the first shot and then others will be brought in when they don't cut it.

              Sounds like he rates Foster then. Which seems very bizarre considering.

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              • gt12G gt12

                @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @No-Quarter
                Fair points.
                It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
                "he didn’t even get close"
                (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

                I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

                And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

                I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

                Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

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                @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @No-Quarter
                Fair points.
                It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
                "he didn’t even get close"
                (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

                I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

                And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

                I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

                Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

                Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

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                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @No-Quarter
                  Fair points.
                  It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
                  "he didn’t even get close"
                  (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

                  I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

                  And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

                  I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

                  Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

                  Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

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                  @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @No-Quarter
                  Fair points.
                  It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
                  "he didn’t even get close"
                  (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

                  I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

                  And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

                  I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

                  Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
                  Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

                  Read was quite poor by that metric I seem to recall. Made up for by McCaw being superb. Balance in the trio is key.

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                  • R reprobate

                    @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @No-Quarter
                    Fair points.
                    It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
                    "he didn’t even get close"
                    (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

                    I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

                    And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

                    I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

                    Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
                    Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

                    Read was quite poor by that metric I seem to recall. Made up for by McCaw being superb. Balance in the trio is key.

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                    @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    Balance in the trio is key.

                    I agree completely. Which is why playing multiple 7s makes me shake my head

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                    • nzzpN nzzp

                      @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      Balance in the trio is key.

                      I agree completely. Which is why playing multiple 7s makes me shake my head

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                      @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                      3 x 7 = 21
                      Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                        3 x 7 = 21
                        Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                        3 x 7 = 21
                        Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

                        Are you suggesting that one openside flanker is worth more than a whole front row combined??

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                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                          @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                          3 x 7 = 21
                          Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                          3 x 7 = 21
                          Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

                          Isn't Finau a 5.5?!

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                            Jerry Collins: (8 + 6 ) / 2 = 7
                            McCaw: 7
                            Rodders: (7 + 8 ) / 2 = 7.5

                            No wonder they were so good = 21.5

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                              What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                              (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                              He would be the ultimate loose forward?

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                                i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                (7+20)/2 = 13.5

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                                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                  i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                  (7+20)/2 = 13.5

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                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                  (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                  We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

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                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                    (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                    We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

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                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                    (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                    We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                                    your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

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                                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                      (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                      We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                                      your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

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                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                      (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                      We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                                      your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

                                      Faaark bro stop living in the past, Ardie's an 8.

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                                      • BonesB Bones

                                        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
                                        Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

                                        Yeah I don't see him being markedly better than Savea and certainly wouldn't be comfortable it being based off turning up against Japan. If so, why not promote all the players that perform against Japan?

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                                        @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
                                        Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

                                        Yeah I don't see him being markedly better than Savea and certainly wouldn't be comfortable it being based off turning up against Japan. If so, why not promote all the players that perform against Japan?

                                        It would have been smarter to trial players in the second Wobs test...

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                                          What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                                          (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                                          He would be the ultimate loose forward?

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                                          @Darren said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                                          (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                                          He would be the ultimate loose forward?

                                          this one? Looks useful

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