All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
As I mentioned here https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/997305 if they start Finau, Cane and Savea, then the bench can have a replacement lock, Sititi (who has played at 6 a couple of times now) and Lakai.
Why not start Sititi/Savea at 7/8 in whichever order, and Finau at 6 with Cane on the bench. Fresh experienced player on late, and the best players getting the most minutes.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
As I mentioned here https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/997305 if they start Finau, Cane and Savea, then the bench can have a replacement lock, Sititi (who has played at 6 a couple of times now) and Lakai.
Why not start Sititi/Savea at 7/8 in whichever order, and Finau at 6 with Cane on the bench. Fresh experienced player on late, and the best players getting the most minutes.
There isn't an alternative universe where this coaching group is going to do that for this weekend.
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Where is that Landers guy and the starting backline for England? He's a bit behind this week.... it's already Wednesday!
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Where is that Landers guy and the starting backline for England? He's a bit behind this week.... it's already Wednesday!
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Where is that Landers guy and the starting backline for England? He's a bit behind this week.... it's already Wednesday!
I’m trying. UK to NZ time difference isn’t our friend. Will be straight in here if I manage to get it. Will try for the AB XV too.
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I actually like the idea of McKenzie off the bench. If used correctly he could really make a big difference.
Unfortunately the other utility back bench role seems to rotate between a guy who never looks good off the bench in ALB and a guy who hasn't been in form in 2 years in Havili.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I actually like the idea of McKenzie off the bench. If used correctly he could really make a big difference.
Except he'll be put in when the game is mostly gone and will try things that will likely fail and everyone will complain he doesn't suit test rugby.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I actually like the idea of McKenzie off the bench. If used correctly he could really make a big difference.
Except he'll be put in when the game is mostly gone and will try things that will likely fail and everyone will complain he doesn't suit test rugby.
@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I actually like the idea of McKenzie off the bench. If used correctly he could really make a big difference.
Except he'll be put in when the game is mostly gone and will try things that will likely fail and everyone will complain he doesn't suit test rugby.
Against Japan he was threading the ball around the backline quite well I thought.
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Team I think they will pick. Jordie Barrett's fitness is the major uncertainty.
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaa'i
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea9 Ratima
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan16 Aumua
17 de Groot
18 Tosi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Finau
21 TJP
22 Havili
23 McKenzie -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@gt12 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
6/2 split from England. I wonder if NZ will be tempted to follow given how they have faded late in matches
They can't really do it well with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 15 as we need 9, 10, midfield cover.
I wouldn't pick this, but if they had Clarke, Jordan, Dmac back three, we could go to a 6-2 bench with 10/15 cover and can carry ALB on the bench.
The secondary issue though is that even if we do go with a 6-2, Scott Barrett is not better at 6 to end the game, and our loosie mix is still a mess, so figuring out who to sub is hard when we have two untouchables there in Barrett and Savea.
We could start Finau and bring on a Sititi alongside Pat T with another lock (e.g., Lord, Darry) but that requires Barrett at 6 assuming he won't be subbed.
Edit: If we started Barrett at 6 to finish at lock, with Savea and Cane, then we could roll on Finau and Sititi to finish alongside Savea. We could run out Pat T alongside Vaii to start and bring on Lord to finish alongside Barrett.
That doesn't sound that flash either, we have too many untouchables for a 6-2 to work.
Tupou Vaa'i can move to 6, looks more mobile than SB to me.
Tupou Vaa'i played 6 in that disaster against South Africa last year and looked absolute dogshit.
This year he has settled in, and been comfortably our best lock, where he plays all his code. And we want to fucking move him?
Even worse, just so we can keep Barrett on the field?
How about our coaches put fucking big boy pants on and be proactive and modern with our subs. The captain is allowed to be subbed off if the other guy is going better.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
The captain is allowed to be subbed off if the other guy is going better.
That's why we have VC's isn't it?
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Team I think they will pick. Jordie Barrett's fitness is the major uncertainty.
1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 Barrett
5 Vaa'i
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 Savea9 Ratima
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 ALB
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan16 Aumua
17 de Groot
18 Tosi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Finau
21 TJP
22 Havili
23 McKenzie -
@Tim I was looking at it thinking that team's easily capable of taking care of a poorly coached (boom goes the drum) England....then I got to 22...
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@Bones the Weapon.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Bones the Weapon.
Imagine how good he'll be when he's 38.
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I’m looking at the team lists, both announced and predicted, and wondering to myself, ‘How the hell is … playing international rugby in 2024?’
@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I’m looking at the team lists, both announced and predicted, and wondering to myself, ‘How the hell is … playing international rugby in 2024?’
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Any leaks ?
Listened briefly to senz yesterday arvo while driving and they were talking about the team being leaked .
Main talking points seemed to be beaudan at 10 , telia 14 , cam on bench .
But no idea how accurate that was
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Here's the team:
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The forwards, including the reserves, actually looks really strong
