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All Blacks EOYT

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

    Taukei'aho was also in good form last year but for whatever reason Foster preferred Taylor.

    Samisoni's 2023 form was nowhere near his 2022 form. Hopefully next year he can find his 2022 form.

    Yep. Can't rewrite history, he went off the boil - really struggled against the Boks. Probably an indication of just how well Codie Taylor has played this year.

    I'd say he is comfortably All Blacks player of the year... Tupou Vaa'i (?) a distant second?

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    @frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

    Taukei'aho was also in good form last year but for whatever reason Foster preferred Taylor.

    Samisoni's 2023 form was nowhere near his 2022 form. Hopefully next year he can find his 2022 form.

    Yep. Can't rewrite history, he went off the boil - really struggled against the Boks. Probably an indication of just how well Codie Taylor has played this year.

    I'd say he is comfortably All Blacks player of the year... Tupou Vaa'i (?) a distant second?

    Struggled against the Boks? What, in the game at Twickenham where every player bar Cam Roigard was very average for the All Blacks?

    Taukei'aho came on at halftime (when NZ were already down to 14 men) and still made the second most carries of any All Black and third most of any player, and made the second-most metres of any All Black forward. It wasn't a vintage showing but he was actually pretty good relative to his teammates.

    I think it's you who's rewriting history at the moment...

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      Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

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        Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

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        @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

        Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

        What’s strange is that he did quite well in coming on at 10 earlier in the year, and they abandoned it.

        It also allows Dmac to move to 15 late which is also not a terrible idea.

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          @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

          Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

          What’s strange is that he did quite well in coming on at 10 earlier in the year, and they abandoned it.

          It also allows Dmac to move to 15 late which is also not a terrible idea.

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          @gt12 Yeah, I thought he was very effective in that role against England, and we do struggle in the second half ...

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            @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

            Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

            What’s strange is that he did quite well in coming on at 10 earlier in the year, and they abandoned it.

            It also allows Dmac to move to 15 late which is also not a terrible idea.

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            @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

            @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

            Beauden Barrett should play his best position in the big matches: super-sub.

            What’s strange is that he did quite well in coming on at 10 earlier in the year, and they abandoned it.

            It also allows Dmac to move to 15 late which is also not a terrible idea.

            Gone to one-up on the Foster era by binning successful mistakes.

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            • TimT Tim

              @gt12 Yeah, I thought he was very effective in that role against England, and we do struggle in the second half ...

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              @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

              @gt12 Yeah, I thought he was very effective in that role against England, and we do struggle in the second half ...

              Easy way to fix that I guess, tread water until Mo'unga is back.
              If he comes back and is average, I'm going to enjoy the shit out of this place.

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                @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @gt12 Yeah, I thought he was very effective in that role against England, and we do struggle in the second half ...

                Easy way to fix that I guess, tread water until Mo'unga is back.
                If he comes back and is average, I'm going to enjoy the shit out of this place.

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                @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                If he comes back and is average,

                You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

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                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  If he comes back and is average,

                  You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

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                  @dogmeat said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  If he comes back and is average,

                  You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

                  Skills with chopsticks should have improved

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                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    If he comes back and is average,

                    You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

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                    @dogmeat said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    If he comes back and is average,

                    You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

                    Yeah, like the current player of the year did.

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                      @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      If he comes back and is average,

                      You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

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                      @dogmeat said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      If he comes back and is average,

                      You expect him to have improved in Japan? 😉

                      Honestly, no.
                      But this coaching group seem to be hanging their hat on it, so fingers crossed.

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                        McKenzie has been a significant upgrade on Mo'unga, one of the few positives this year is he appears to be finding his feet at 10 despite our loosies getting smacked around every game. Beauden's best position at this stage of his career is either at fullback or off the bench as a finisher.

                        If Mo'unga comes back then I think by far his best position would also be off the bench, and I've thought that about him since he first made the ABs. His game just doesn't translate to test rugby, always standing wider looking for mis-matches that don't exist. He ends up becoming completely anonymous against the better sides, and in the past it has led to Beauden trying to take control from fullback which hasn't worked.

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                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/sir-wayne-smith-how-the-all-blacks-can-rule-the-world-through-attacking-rugby/KIAV2ANHWJHHXC635FU7KD5U2M/

                          Smith believes Scott Robertson’s All Blacks are attempting to revive the style that propelled them to 88 wins from 103 tests between 2003 and 2011 and the unrivalled success through to 2016.

                          “There’s no reason why we can’t return to that sort of rugby and that’s what the All Blacks are trying to do.

                          “If we play like that and we’re successful then the world will follow us rather than the other way around.”

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                            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/sir-wayne-smith-how-the-all-blacks-can-rule-the-world-through-attacking-rugby/KIAV2ANHWJHHXC635FU7KD5U2M/

                            Smith believes Scott Robertson’s All Blacks are attempting to revive the style that propelled them to 88 wins from 103 tests between 2003 and 2011 and the unrivalled success through to 2016.

                            “There’s no reason why we can’t return to that sort of rugby and that’s what the All Blacks are trying to do.

                            “If we play like that and we’re successful then the world will follow us rather than the other way around.”

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                            @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/sir-wayne-smith-how-the-all-blacks-can-rule-the-world-through-attacking-rugby/KIAV2ANHWJHHXC635FU7KD5U2M/

                            Smith believes Scott Robertson’s All Blacks are attempting to revive the style that propelled them to 88 wins from 103 tests between 2003 and 2011 and the unrivalled success through to 2016.

                            “There’s no reason why we can’t return to that sort of rugby and that’s what the All Blacks are trying to do.

                            “If we play like that and we’re successful then the world will follow us rather than the other way around.”

                            No reason we can't return. LOL we never truly left, that's why we've been struggling with rush aggressive defence for years!

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                              @Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/sir-wayne-smith-how-the-all-blacks-can-rule-the-world-through-attacking-rugby/KIAV2ANHWJHHXC635FU7KD5U2M/

                              Smith believes Scott Robertson’s All Blacks are attempting to revive the style that propelled them to 88 wins from 103 tests between 2003 and 2011 and the unrivalled success through to 2016.

                              “There’s no reason why we can’t return to that sort of rugby and that’s what the All Blacks are trying to do.

                              “If we play like that and we’re successful then the world will follow us rather than the other way around.”

                              No reason we can't return. LOL we never truly left, that's why we've been struggling with rush aggressive defence for years!

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                              @Machpants Was 100% thinking of you when I posted that. Indeed we're still the same shit.

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                                It's frustrating, cos it is not how the Crusaders played, yes there was razzle dazzle but it is SR and not many rush defence teams. It was hard nosed mauling etc that made them dominant (simplified obvs)

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                                  And yet the Boks have played their style for over 100 years arguably and Razzie just enhances it. I think it is more of matching the style with our DNA (overused buzzwords I know). That doesn't mean going back in time, it means playing to the strengths of our players so they have the most opportunity to thrive.
                                  AND the success of the ABs until 2016 didn't mean the headless chook shite of recent years, it was rather pragmatic at times (Example: 2015 semi-final vs Boks, Carter just plugged the Boks in their own 22 and they couldn't escape in the last quarter). As a related side note; DMac does have that game if you look at the Chiefs. The rot seems to coincide with BB at pivot...sigh....
                                  Anyway, at least that is what I hope this is what the prof means.

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                                    Any word on Niggles and Paps?

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                                      Any word on Niggles and Paps?

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                                      @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      Any word on Niggles and Paps?

                                      Don't want to give away all the secrets, geez.

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                                        For those that haven’t seen the news on social media.

                                        B.McCalister and H.Plummer in for C.Taylor and B.Barrett who are dealing with concussions. Billy Proctor returning home to be with his partner for the birth of their first child.

                                        Love will rejoin the AB’s and Lio-Willie will stay with the squad.

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                                          For those that haven’t seen the news on social media.

                                          B.McCalister and H.Plummer in for C.Taylor and B.Barrett who are dealing with concussions. Billy Proctor returning home to be with his partner for the birth of their first child.

                                          Love will rejoin the AB’s and Lio-Willie will stay with the squad.

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                                          @Landers92 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          For those that haven’t seen the news on social media.

                                          B.McCalister and H.Plummer in for C.Taylor and B.Barrett who are dealing with concussions. Billy Proctor returning home to be with his partner for the birth of their first child.

                                          Love will rejoin the AB’s and Lio-Willie will stay with the squad.

                                          ... and the selection of development player Bell in the full squad now gets very interesting.

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