All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.
He wasn't really under any pressure from the media at the Crusaders.
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Stoked there is no TJP.
Backline 10 12 13 still very uninspiring...solid D I guess.....but not known as creative on attack and 12 13 just don't put others in space nearly enough... And no one better currently which is even more of a concern.
This game could be a dour wet weather match with out the wet
@Mattasaurus liked purely for the last line.
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@African-Monkey Those were all fairly predictable questions at the press conference that he should have been able to knock away to the boundary. Did he not practice with the media officer beforehand?
@sparky Joe Marler question and what should have been the answer….
“I know Joe. It’s great that we have outspoken characters like him in the game. Everyone is free to respond to the Haka however they want. And we’ll respond accordingly. Nobody ever mentions it until we come on tour to the Northern Hemisphere and then whether it’s Joe, Matt Dawson or anybody else it gives you something to talk about until 3pm on Saturday and then everyone forgets about it completely and the game kicks off. Rugby is full of stories about responses to the Haka, whether it was England in 2019, France in 2007, or behind closed doors in Cardiff. If we binned it what would the media chat about between now and kick off? There’s a reason our games sell out up here and other countries don’t. It’s the black jersey, it’s the Haka, it’s the way we play. Rugby needs to sell as many tickets as possible and well done to Joe for bringing it up again so the world can be reminded what sets All Blacks games apart.’’
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@sparky Joe Marler question and what should have been the answer….
“I know Joe. It’s great that we have outspoken characters like him in the game. Everyone is free to respond to the Haka however they want. And we’ll respond accordingly. Nobody ever mentions it until we come on tour to the Northern Hemisphere and then whether it’s Joe, Matt Dawson or anybody else it gives you something to talk about until 3pm on Saturday and then everyone forgets about it completely and the game kicks off. Rugby is full of stories about responses to the Haka, whether it was England in 2019, France in 2007, or behind closed doors in Cardiff. If we binned it what would the media chat about between now and kick off? There’s a reason our games sell out up here and other countries don’t. It’s the black jersey, it’s the Haka, it’s the way we play. Rugby needs to sell as many tickets as possible and well done to Joe for bringing it up again so the world can be reminded what sets All Blacks games apart.’’
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@game_film Instead Robertson choose to look offended. An odd choice. His whole manner in the press conference was strange, rocking back and forwards.
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@game_film Instead Robertson choose to look offended. An odd choice. His whole manner in the press conference was strange, rocking back and forwards.
Seems to be the way he operates at this level - that first game against England he was banging the walls of the box and couldn't sit still.
Reminded me of Cheika - not visibly in control of emotions and reactions
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@sparky I highly doubt England have improved since they went down under, having not played. If Razor's team can't take care of them after a whole season of learnings, then that's a complete failure.
@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky I highly doubt England have improved since they went down under, having not played. If Razor's team can't take care of them after a whole season of learnings, then that's a complete failure.
Yeah I think in some ways this is razors biggest test , because you could make a case that we are not quite ready to be expected to beat South Africa and Ireland yet .
But if we are improving, we should be clinical enough to do the business and beat the teams ranked below us .
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@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.
@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.
Small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts
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@Bones said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky I highly doubt England have improved since they went down under, having not played. If Razor's team can't take care of them after a whole season of learnings, then that's a complete failure.
Yeah I think in some ways this is razors biggest test , because you could make a case that we are not quite ready to be expected to beat South Africa and Ireland yet .
But if we are improving, we should be clinical enough to do the business and beat the teams ranked below us .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
But if we are improving, we should be clinical enough to do the business and beat the teams ranked below us .
we're red hot favourites, so should get over the line. Fingers crossed for a statmeent performance like Henry in 04 vs France!
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I don’t mind seeing Mark Telea back to his preferred right wing and seeing him get a chance. Factor in how much England love to bomb the back 3 and it’s a pretty smart decision to have him in there over Reece. They would have bombed Reece’s wing all day and made life miserable.
Overall a very solid side, it’s going to a real test match. Bring it on.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We need a « you know » ometer for Robertsons press conferences.
I just thought he came across as nervous and not very eloquent or on top of the detail.
Sammy Cane and Jordie Barrett did a better job.
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We need a « you know » ometer for Robertsons press conferences.
I just thought he came across as nervous and not very eloquent or on top of the detail.
Sammy Cane and Jordie Barrett did a better job.
It doesn’t bother to me be honest. I struggle to think of an eloquent AB coach. I’d rather that than some « journey » spiel.
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@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.
@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.
Robertson has always been awkward in front of the media, even with the Crusaders. And he has always been animated in the coach's box.
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
We need a « you know » ometer for Robertsons press conferences.
I just thought he came across as nervous and not very eloquent or on top of the detail.
Sammy Cane and Jordie Barrett did a better job.
It doesn’t bother to me be honest. I struggle to think of an eloquent AB coach. I’d rather that than some « journey » spiel.
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Is De Groot injured?
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Is De Groot injured?
Yes. He is carrying a leg complaint and isn’t quite up to speed/fitness. Unsure of the severity but was told he was touch and go for this game. Having depth like we do with Tamaiti Williams now is nice so they don’t have to force anything and rush back too early.
Edit. I see there are reports out on stuff about ‘internal standards’ whatever that may mean.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Is De Groot injured?
Yes. He is carrying a leg complaint and isn’t quite up to speed/fitness. Unsure of the severity but was told he was touch and go for this game. Having depth like we do with Tamaiti Williams now is nice so they don’t have to force anything and rush back too early.
Edit. I see there are reports out on stuff about ‘internal standards’ whatever that may mean.
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@Landers92 Why did Robinson make it sound like it was a discipline/protocol issue? Strange.
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@Billy-Tell Fred Allen, Brian Lochore, Earle Kirton and Graham Henry.
Laurie Mains, John Hart and Steve Hansen weren't bad with the media either.
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Billy-Tell Fred Allen, Brian Lochore, Earle Kirton and Graham Henry.
Laurie Mains, John Hart and Steve Hansen weren't bad with the media either.
If you’re definition of good with the media is « gruff » then yeah ok. Hart was probably the most articulate.
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I give as much of a shit about the coaches body language as I do about Sotutu's i.e. none.
What I do give a fuck about it is the fucking moron putting Barrett back at 10, and thereby basically giving up our intention and ability to score points other than by acts of individual brilliance. When was the last time BB, playing at 10, put a player in space by passing?
That consistency of selection at 10 was really the one bright spot in terms of seeing Robertson working towards something, and now he's chucked it - and on what basis? Beauden's mediocre run against a beaten Wallabies, where McKenzie came on and instantly the backline started functioning? What a fucking clown.It does not strike me as a great England team, our forwards are decent and we have Jordan and Clarke for a bit of brilliance, so we should still have the firepower to win - but I really have no idea what the fuck we are trying to achieve anymore.
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I don’t mind seeing Mark Telea back to his preferred right wing and seeing him get a chance. Factor in how much England love to bomb the back 3 and it’s a pretty smart decision to have him in there over Reece. They would have bombed Reece’s wing all day and made life miserable.
Overall a very solid side, it’s going to a real test match. Bring it on.
@Landers92 for me, Telea and Reece provide very similar attacking threats with both ability to beat a man and initial acceleration, providing a nice counter to Clarkes power game, making Telea and Reece too alike to play together against quality opposition IMO.
Both have similar defensive issues and both can be a pest at the breakdown, so coin toss really.
Have to think this side is, on paper stronger than the one that faced England earlier in the year, the emergence of Sititi, Ratima/Roigard (over Christie/TJ?) Will running at the back, the growth of Vaai
Guess it all depends what game plan they have and if BB can follow it as to how he goes, sometimes it seems he is given too much reign to just play his own game that unfortunately is 2 yards slower than it was 4 or 5 years ago where his pace papered over many cracks, so now he needs to play smarter.
