All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham

[nzzp]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

But if we are improving, we should be clinical enough to do the business and beat the teams ranked below us .

we're red hot favourites, so should get over the line. Fingers crossed for a statmeent performance like Henry in 04 vs France!

[sparky]

Having a Halloween drink tonight in honour of this truly Great Man. "What we do in life echoes in eternity."

[Landers92]

I don’t mind seeing Mark Telea back to his preferred right wing and seeing him get a chance. Factor in how much England love to bomb the back 3 and it’s a pretty smart decision to have him in there over Reece. They would have bombed Reece’s wing all day and made life miserable.

Overall a very solid side, it’s going to a real test match. Bring it on.

[Billy Tell]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

We need a « you know » ometer for Robertsons press conferences.

I just thought he came across as nervous and not very eloquent or on top of the detail.

Sammy Cane and Jordie Barrett did a better job.

It doesn’t bother to me be honest. I struggle to think of an eloquent AB coach. I’d rather that than some « journey » spiel.

[Crazy Horse]

@game_film said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Daffy-Jaffy I’m disappointed that Surfboard Jesus doesn’t appear to be a man amongst men (or boys) when in front of the media. Always seems nervous. Was he the same at the Saders or do I remember differently? Bit of the old Ron Manager (IYKYK) about him.

Robertson has always been awkward in front of the media, even with the Crusaders. And he has always been animated in the coach's box.

[sparky]

@Billy-Tell Fred Allen, Brian Lochore, Earle Kirton and Graham Henry.

Laurie Mains, John Hart and Steve Hansen weren't bad with the media either.

[Landers92]

@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Is De Groot injured?

Yes. He is carrying a leg complaint and isn’t quite up to speed/fitness. Unsure of the severity but was told he was touch and go for this game. Having depth like we do with Tamaiti Williams now is nice so they don’t have to force anything and rush back too early.

Edit. I see there are reports out on stuff about ‘internal standards’ whatever that may mean.

[sparky]

@Landers92 Why did Robinson make it sound like it was a discipline/protocol issue? Strange.

[Landers92]

@sparky yeah strange. ‘Internal standards’ being fitness maybe? Unsure.

[Billy Tell]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Billy-Tell Fred Allen, Brian Lochore, Earle Kirton and Graham Henry.

Laurie Mains, John Hart and Steve Hansen weren't bad with the media either.

If you’re definition of good with the media is « gruff » then yeah ok. Hart was probably the most articulate.

[reprobate]

I give as much of a shit about the coaches body language as I do about Sotutu's i.e. none.
What I do give a fuck about it is the fucking moron putting Barrett back at 10, and thereby basically giving up our intention and ability to score points other than by acts of individual brilliance. When was the last time BB, playing at 10, put a player in space by passing?
That consistency of selection at 10 was really the one bright spot in terms of seeing Robertson working towards something, and now he's chucked it - and on what basis? Beauden's mediocre run against a beaten Wallabies, where McKenzie came on and instantly the backline started functioning? What a fucking clown.

It does not strike me as a great England team, our forwards are decent and we have Jordan and Clarke for a bit of brilliance, so we should still have the firepower to win - but I really have no idea what the fuck we are trying to achieve anymore.

[taniwharugby]

@Landers92 for me, Telea and Reece provide very similar attacking threats with both ability to beat a man and initial acceleration, providing a nice counter to Clarkes power game, making Telea and Reece too alike to play together against quality opposition IMO.

Both have similar defensive issues and both can be a pest at the breakdown, so coin toss really.

Have to think this side is, on paper stronger than the one that faced England earlier in the year, the emergence of Sititi, Ratima/Roigard (over Christie/TJ?) Will running at the back, the growth of Vaai

Guess it all depends what game plan they have and if BB can follow it as to how he goes, sometimes it seems he is given too much reign to just play his own game that unfortunately is 2 yards slower than it was 4 or 5 years ago where his pace papered over many cracks, so now he needs to play smarter.

[Mr Fish]

@Landers92 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky yeah strange. ‘Internal standards’ being fitness maybe? Unsure.

No it was off-field stuff. Definitely disciplinary.

[Bones]

@Billy-Tell giving the chevrons a workout these days mate.

[Toddy]

Hopefully the game is slow enough for Cane. Looked like someone had filled his boots with concrete against Aus.

[ARHS]

Nothing much to ponder on with this team selection. Looks like a bit of a strategy reversal, to open up the game and go wider when subs join in second half and England is more tired.
Did not expect Ofa in the 23 and Telea over Reece must have been a close call. But nice to see our ball running props split between start and bench.

[pakman]

@mencey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

It makes more sense to me to go Barrett-Barrett-Proctor.
14 Ioane

Totally agree.

Plenty of Keynesians about here.

[KiwiMurph]

Big opportunity for Finau in this test

Razor has been obsessed with Jacobson in the loose forward bench role but he has been underwhelming in my view.

With Lakai in the wings and supposedly Blackadder and Papalii coming into the squad later in the tour - Finau's chance is now.

Finau was poor off the bench vs Boks in one chance so this weekend will see if he can improve

I suspect all things being equal Cane gets subbed off and Savea or Sititi move to 7

[Duluth]

McKenzie v Mo'unga conversation has been moved to a new thread:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/7039/mckenzie-mo-unga-etc/1

Lets keep this thread about the England match

[Marty]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 S. Barrett (c)
5 Vaa'i
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 A.Savea
9 Ratima
10 B. Barrett
11 Clarke
12. J. Barrett
13 R.Ioane
14 M. Telea
15 Jordan

16 Aumua
17 Tu'ungafasi
18 Tosi
19. Tuipolutu
20 Finau
21 Roigard
22 ALB
23 D. McKenzie

That bench has high impact potential. Let's hope they all read their CV's.